It's not like American scientists and intellectuals will flee to other nations that value themselves more, crippling US innovation...right?
Trump is doing more for the science programs in other nations than those nations ever could.
So, we all know what's going on here, right? They're gutting any part of our society that relies on intellectual work and trying to compete with motherfucking robots to bring factories back. They want to cram everyone into sweatshops. The plan was never to bring good jobs back, the plan was always live-in factories and suicide nets on the windows.
E: well, at least the Roman space telescope lives on, I guess. I'm unreasonably excited for it; it's already built and just needs to be launched, basically.
The Roman telescope will likely get shoved in storage. I work on it right now, we are talking internally about what this means. Obviously, I have no more information than you do, but the cuts are severe enough that there's no way we will be able to keep working on it at the current levels if this goes through.
The plan was never to bring good jobs back, the plan was always live-in factories and suicide nets on the windows.
Bold of you to assume they'll spring for nets.
Gotta protect your assets
This is the same vibe as when the CEO gets a million dollar raise but we don't have money for cost of living increases this year.
Sorry USA kids. No astronaut program this summer. Dream smaller this year.
So, Trump wants NASA to get to the Moon and Mars by 2030 while on a slashed budget with limited scientists? Get ready for more spacecraft to drop out of the sky.
No, Trump does not want NASA to get to the Moon or Mars.
Trump wants NASA to be a tool that funnel money from the government to billionaires, aka Musk and Bezos
It's okay. Europe and China will replace the US and the world will be better off.
Not sure that's true, but alright
Not sure about what? The US is certainly getting replaced, and we'll all be better off if the Great Satan isn't the center of scientific progress.
we’ll all be better off if the Great Satan isn’t the center of scientific progress.
No, I wouldn't be better off living in a country where women are arrested and killed for appearing in public without a silly garment covering their head.
Hail Satan
The women in that country would be better off without the US constantly attacking them.
Hahaha y'all been saying that for a decade already don't you get bored?
China is dying too silly. Their housing bubble is a nightmare, their currency is not desirable and all their factory jobs are going overseas.
Their housing bubble is a nightmare
You're saying that as if the US economy hasn't been a fucking bubble bath ever since the stock market got created. Bubbles don't matter apparently, which is stupid but this is the world we live in.
their currency is not desirable
That's the point, they don't want to make their wages incompetitively high by inflating their cost of living and thus nominal wages to the moon like the US.
all their factory jobs are going overseas.
That... is the goal? Factory jobs are low-added-value, you need educated people doing high wage jobs to become a developed country.
I'm not stanning China, there are plenty of shit things aobut the country, but looking from here in Europe, it looks like they are a better partner than the US. Both of them do genocide, have a shitty human rights record, have neocolonial tendencies, shitty worker's rights, no proper democracy, etc.
But China is at least stable as a trading partner.
Shit on China all you want. I know I do. The truth is though the CCP's already sending tons of rovers to the moon to find prime real estate and are heavily investing in reusable rockets like SpaceX. The US is gonna be humiliated when the next humans to return to the moon are Chinese nationals. Can we beat them before that happens? Yes, but we're making all the wrong moves both through government policy and many private space endeavors. Musk's already said he's more interested in Mars for example. The Artemis project keeps suffering severe setbacks due to it being driven by politicians and not NASA.
The truth is though the CCP’s already sending tons of rovers to the moon
Wow just think how much more they could accomplish if they could chose their own leaders and say things they wanted to say without being thrown in jail and tortured or killed and their capital was in Taipei and they weren't held back by a ruthless dictator who was only supposed to be a dictator for 10 years but decided he wanted to remain dictator for life.
Agreed. I don't like the CCP any more than you do but the truth is if you have long term leadership you can get some projects that would otherwise have been de-railed by opposition parties when power's transferred to them.
China is dying
Hahaha y’all been saying that for a decade already don’t you get bored?
see how ridiculous it sounds? silly fake commies
What I've seen is an endless parade of liberals screaming China is "on the verge of collapse!!!1" for over a decade and I've seen the reality of China only becoming better over the same time period. There's no basis for your claim, it's just part of that same endless parade of anti-China propaganda we've all seen before.
And what I've seen is China become more powerful and life in China get better over that same time, while all those liberals kept screaming that China was going to collapse. I was a typical anti-China Western Marxist before COVID. The pandemic revealed that China is actually still a socialist project and that politics are in command when they shut down the economy instead of marching workers to the deaths, saving countless lives and advancing Chinese life expectancies above the US. That changed everything for me.
And over that same period I've seen the US get worse. In fact, it's basically gotten worse over the entire time liberals were screaming that China was on the verge of collapse. This is an empire in decline and everyone can see it, so even if you're anti-China I hope you can recognize the US is on its way out.
And soon enough, something else is going to happen that will give you the same experience. China isn't going to collapse, it's just going to continue peacefully developing and surpassing the US in more-and-more ways.
I don’t even need to win this argument, history will do it for me.
You keep saying liberals but I don't think you know what that word means. Are you speaking of the neoliberal western government or the liberals of America or liberals in Europe? Because they're immensely different groups. I can only speak of "liberals" in America and I promise you, you're entirely wrong. Liberals for years shook their head at all the things China was doing to take US business, never once was the liberal apparatus or voting bloc in america really ever antagonistic to China. Neoliberals like Biden were, kinda. But in the US conservatives have always beefed with China because they use the "they're taking our jobs" stick every four years and I mean do you think Trump is a liberal? Cause he's been the most aggressive to China than any US president in recent times
So I don't know what the hell you're talking about there. It comes off clueless and ill informed kind of like the rest of what you say.
The pandemic revealed that China is actually still a socialist project and that politics are in command when they shut down the economy instead of marching workers to the deaths,
Literally not what happened. They lied, arrested scientists trying to talk about COVID and denied it came from China ever while also being difficult to work with in informing the rest of the world what was going down and that by definition is absolutely tyrannical which is the opposite of socialist. China also marches workers to death pandemic or not, go look at the work culture in China it is abysmal.
And over that same period I've seen the US get worse
US never changed their dirty laundry is just more visible. Maybe it seems like it got worse but queers hardly ever had rights, abortion was always a fight, worker rights are always under assault and America is funding terrorists all over, all of this since like the 50s. Where ya been?
Sounds to me like you're 12 maybe and you just dunno what the hell you're talking about, like at all. You need to get off tiktok or whatever the source for your perspective is because it's dog shit poopie diaper.
And I'm sure Hong Kong and Taiwan pulling away from China is a sign the country is doing well, sure. Let's go with that.
The truth is if you look at history empires fall together. This era of shit post WWII is just getting ready to shift. Countries like Honduras, Mexico, Indonesia, countries in Africa, the places US and China shit on, will see an increase in everything as these empires continue to bleed. That's how it goes. Rome dies gives us the Islamic golden age, Imperial British rule falls and the US grows up, US and China will continue to bleed out and fuel the countries that can fill the void.
China isn't going to collapse, it's just going to continue peacefully developing and surpassing the US in more-and-more ways.
That's funny good joke their. I'm sure the protestors in Hong Kong and Filipinos and Taiwanese folk think China is super cool. I'm sure the secret police stations they have to watch citizens overseas and their oppression of Muslims in the western parts of China aren't indictive of a country losing control and in response tightening its grip just like the US is doing and just like every other empire that bled out their power did too.
Nobody wins an argument online and with that knowledge I've obviously won here thanks 🫰
. Europe and China will replace the US and the world will be better off.
Only if China finally gets to choose their own leaders. Until then it is fucked up even worse.
Is NASA a threat to Elon's monopolization of launches?
Pretty much, why let the public sector do something when you can funnel government contracts to private industry for kickbacks?
I seriously don't understand why he is doing this. Isn't trump friends with eslong musk? The way i'm seeing this is cutting the budget for nasa would only go against elon. If he wanted to save money, then he should have just cut military spending.
Trump doesn't want to save money, he wants to reward people who reward him. You can't analyze anything he does in terms of anything he claims to be doing.
His goal is a destroy the United States of America.
His goal is a destroy the United States of America.
Once everyone understands this, his actions make sense.
It also aligns suspiciously well with Putin's goals.
Putin won the cold war. This is what it looks like.
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