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It's okay. Europe and China will replace the US and the world will be better off.
Not sure that's true, but alright
Not sure about what? The US is certainly getting replaced, and we'll all be better off if the Great Satan isn't the center of scientific progress.
No, I wouldn't be better off living in a country where women are arrested and killed for appearing in public without a silly garment covering their head.
Hail Satan
The women in that country would be better off without the US constantly attacking them.
The great...Satan? ...Wat? Is that Europe orr... China?
You must be young. The Iranians and other parts of the middle east have referred to us since at least the 80s, and probably before.
When we brought a bunch of Nazis in after WWII and installed them in positions of importance (like heading NASA by Wernher von Braun) I think we gave them a pretty reasonable argument.
It's like everyday I learn more and more about how shitty this country's history is.
Don't worry, you're not wrong about China — what's going on in the U.S. is just more televised.
You know, because of the 'freedoms' and whatnot.
I sincerely encourage you to check out documentaties about china that dont start with genocide. You will see that today its used as red scare.
My country is in serious trouble but at least we never ran over protesting college students with tanks and then washed them down the drains.
Israel runs over people with its US tanks and it's the 51st state, so, let's not throw stones in this big shitty glass house?
Thanks for the whataboutism. Israel can go fuck itself too, they are worse at the moment.
I don’t need everyone else to be perfect to level valid criticism.
The US is directly responsible for the innocent people that Israel kills. It's the 51st state. They are so fundamentally connected and Israel is so deeply reliant on the US for economic and military and legal connections that it is impossible to separate the two.
Israel would probably cease to exist if the US didn't give them unlimited backing and support.
You know what that means? That means it's not fucking """whataboutism""" to bring up Israel! Israel's crimes are US's crimes.
We weren’t talking about Israel. That’s why it’s whataboutism regardless of the veracity of your claims.
We are talking about Israel, because we are talking about the US. It's the 51st state. You don't get to separate the two as if they are totally different countries that are unrelated to each other. Israel's crimes are US crimes.
The United States is comprised of 50 states so your hyperbole is going nowhere. Israel is a separate nation no matter how close friends the pair of assholes are. You have not countered my argument.
Your only argument seems to be "well there's only 50 stars on the flag, so, checkmate 😏". Israel isn't a real nation, it's just an extension of the US empire. Israel literally can not exist without US support and the US will give Israel unlimited support no matter what. They're intertwined so deeply that they can't be separated. Israel would collapse the instant the US stopped propping it up.
I repeat, it's not a real country. It was created with the stroke of a pen and will end with one. Israel's crimes are US crimes.
You don't get it yet, but I think you will. I don't even need to win this argument. History will do it for me.
Lol so... you just willfully ignore the shit they do...got it
Fuckin tankies.
What you're doing is called a strawman.
Of course one should not ignore crimes against humanity. I'm saying we are reducing people, countries and systems based on what agenda we have today.
Yes is sucks for the Chinese that their government keeps committing genocide and they don't have any way to end that by choosing their own leaders. Except for our lucky friends in Taiwan.
Only if China finally gets to choose their own leaders. Until then it is fucked up even worse.
Hahaha y'all been saying that for a decade already don't you get bored?
China is dying too silly. Their housing bubble is a nightmare, their currency is not desirable and all their factory jobs are going overseas.
You're saying that as if the US economy hasn't been a fucking bubble bath ever since the stock market got created. Bubbles don't matter apparently, which is stupid but this is the world we live in.
That's the point, they don't want to make their wages incompetitively high by inflating their cost of living and thus nominal wages to the moon like the US.
That... is the goal? Factory jobs are low-added-value, you need educated people doing high wage jobs to become a developed country.
I'm not stanning China, there are plenty of shit things aobut the country, but looking from here in Europe, it looks like they are a better partner than the US. Both of them do genocide, have a shitty human rights record, have neocolonial tendencies, shitty worker's rights, no proper democracy, etc.
But China is at least stable as a trading partner.
Shit on China all you want. I know I do. The truth is though the CCP's already sending tons of rovers to the moon to find prime real estate and are heavily investing in reusable rockets like SpaceX. The US is gonna be humiliated when the next humans to return to the moon are Chinese nationals. Can we beat them before that happens? Yes, but we're making all the wrong moves both through government policy and many private space endeavors. Musk's already said he's more interested in Mars for example. The Artemis project keeps suffering severe setbacks due to it being driven by politicians and not NASA.
Wow just think how much more they could accomplish if they could chose their own leaders and say things they wanted to say without being thrown in jail and tortured or killed and their capital was in Taipei and they weren't held back by a ruthless dictator who was only supposed to be a dictator for 10 years but decided he wanted to remain dictator for life.
Agreed. I don't like the CCP any more than you do but the truth is if you have long term leadership you can get some projects that would otherwise have been de-railed by opposition parties when power's transferred to them.
Hahaha y’all been saying that for a decade already don’t you get bored?
see how ridiculous it sounds? silly fake commies
What I've seen is an endless parade of liberals screaming China is "on the verge of collapse!!!1" for over a decade and I've seen the reality of China only becoming better over the same time period. There's no basis for your claim, it's just part of that same endless parade of anti-China propaganda we've all seen before.
And what I've seen is China become more powerful and life in China get better over that same time, while all those liberals kept screaming that China was going to collapse. I was a typical anti-China Western Marxist before COVID. The pandemic revealed that China is actually still a socialist project and that politics are in command when they shut down the economy instead of marching workers to the deaths, saving countless lives and advancing Chinese life expectancies above the US. That changed everything for me.
And over that same period I've seen the US get worse. In fact, it's basically gotten worse over the entire time liberals were screaming that China was on the verge of collapse. This is an empire in decline and everyone can see it, so even if you're anti-China I hope you can recognize the US is on its way out.
And soon enough, something else is going to happen that will give you the same experience. China isn't going to collapse, it's just going to continue peacefully developing and surpassing the US in more-and-more ways.
I don’t even need to win this argument, history will do it for me.
You keep saying liberals but I don't think you know what that word means. Are you speaking of the neoliberal western government or the liberals of America or liberals in Europe? Because they're immensely different groups. I can only speak of "liberals" in America and I promise you, you're entirely wrong. Liberals for years shook their head at all the things China was doing to take US business, never once was the liberal apparatus or voting bloc in america really ever antagonistic to China. Neoliberals like Biden were, kinda. But in the US conservatives have always beefed with China because they use the "they're taking our jobs" stick every four years and I mean do you think Trump is a liberal? Cause he's been the most aggressive to China than any US president in recent times
So I don't know what the hell you're talking about there. It comes off clueless and ill informed kind of like the rest of what you say.
Literally not what happened. They lied, arrested scientists trying to talk about COVID and denied it came from China ever while also being difficult to work with in informing the rest of the world what was going down and that by definition is absolutely tyrannical which is the opposite of socialist. China also marches workers to death pandemic or not, go look at the work culture in China it is abysmal.
US never changed their dirty laundry is just more visible. Maybe it seems like it got worse but queers hardly ever had rights, abortion was always a fight, worker rights are always under assault and America is funding terrorists all over, all of this since like the 50s. Where ya been?
Sounds to me like you're 12 maybe and you just dunno what the hell you're talking about, like at all. You need to get off tiktok or whatever the source for your perspective is because it's dog shit poopie diaper.
And I'm sure Hong Kong and Taiwan pulling away from China is a sign the country is doing well, sure. Let's go with that.
The truth is if you look at history empires fall together. This era of shit post WWII is just getting ready to shift. Countries like Honduras, Mexico, Indonesia, countries in Africa, the places US and China shit on, will see an increase in everything as these empires continue to bleed. That's how it goes. Rome dies gives us the Islamic golden age, Imperial British rule falls and the US grows up, US and China will continue to bleed out and fuel the countries that can fill the void.
That's funny good joke their. I'm sure the protestors in Hong Kong and Filipinos and Taiwanese folk think China is super cool. I'm sure the secret police stations they have to watch citizens overseas and their oppression of Muslims in the western parts of China aren't indictive of a country losing control and in response tightening its grip just like the US is doing and just like every other empire that bled out their power did too.
Nobody wins an argument online and with that knowledge I've obviously won here thanks 🫰