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submitted 1 month ago by makyo@lemmy.world to c/trees@lemmy.world

Some of the leaves on my plant are getting these dry tips with sort of yellowish spots. What causes this?

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[-] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's root burn, or malabsorption. In short, you're overfeeding. Ignore these deficiency charts, they only really apply if you're growing in hydro with de-ionised water as your base for your nutrient solution. Tap water + soil means you have an abundance of all of your micronutrients already. If you're in a physical media and/or using wholly organic nutrients, you don't have a deficiency. Nutrient companies release these charts and try to convince you you need to buy a manganese supplement, or a zinc supplement. It's just nonsense meant to prey on people that don't have an education in horticulture and it will only make your situation worse. I can tell by looking at the leaf in the back (see the way the colour kinda fades across it?) that it's not binding nitrogen correctly. The pale colour shift is classic. What I would do, personally, is flush the medium (I'm assuming soil?) with plain water, use approximately 3 times the water in litres as exists in the pot. So, if you've got 10 litres of soil in there, pass 30L of water through it. After that, leave it for 2 days to dry out and then add feed again at 1/2 the ratio you're using. You're already in flower, so you need to sort out these root problems today, because the root won't recover the stuff you burn away.

It's a trap everyone falls into, the plant consumes more in flower so people up their feed. They consume more, but they don't consume everything that you put in the medium. If you've already got a high-level nutrient solution in the soil and you add to it what happens is reverse osmosis, so the water is ripped from the root to equalise the osmotic pressure between nutrient saturated medium and the rootbed, because water moves from an area of high concentration to low concentration across a semi-permeable membrane. Flush it, give it two days, reintroduce nutrients at half the strength. I don't know how you're measuring the feed, but general rule is less is more. It's been ages since I've done wholly organic growing, now I use salt solution nutrients in de-ionised water at 20-10-20 N-P-K, starting 550 mols/cm3 and moving to 800 mols/cm3 as you progress from veg into flowering. That is it, that is all the plant needs. If you are using organics, you need to keep your concentrations measured as well. It's like jam, or salt preservatives you'll overwhelm the bacteria present at the root base, so they won't be able to break it down. That will further fuck with your pH and lead to more root damage.

Source: Bachelors in plant sciences, former master grower.

Edit: Just to add, the reason this "looks like deficiencies" is because when you saturate a plant's root base to the point it causes burn, or malabsorbtion (see "lockout") it can't bind any of the essential micronutrients. Rule of thumb, if you're in soil, not deionising your water. Every "deficiency" is caused by root problems and this is why you need plant scientists and not people who trust what AI tells them about plants.

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Well I knew I was coming to the right place for help but sure wasn't expecting it at this level! Thanks for the thorough analysis. It does seem to have stalled a bit in growth compared to other plants - I suppose that is a symptom of malabsorption too?

[-] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No worries buddy, I usually just lurk but I saw someone suggesting AI and I went 'nope'. Correct, it all comes down to roots. You have 3 types of meristemic tissue, which are you bread and butter for growth. if you like. It's where undefined cells are sent to gather and form new structures/tissues. The ground mersitem at the roots, the apical meristem at the nodes and the Procambium which is what creates your phloem and xylem, your transport tissue. Undefined cells are produced at the root meristem and then sent to areas of the plant for growth by chemical messengers called auxins. So, if your pH is out, the plant can't bind essential nutrients and it looks deficient. If you're oversaturated with salts/fertiliser it damages the root and diminishes the capacity to produce new undefined cells to send to these areas and again, it looks like it's deficient. It also changes the priority of where they're distributed, because now they're also trying to limit damage that's occurring at the root bed. You'll notice that it's the tips that get consumed first, that's because leaves are energy stores. So, because it isn't getting the nutrition from the transport tissue, because of root issues, it depletes those stored in the leaves to try and make up for it. That reduces the ability of the plant to photosynthesise, reduces the binding of carbon from Co2 using RuBisCo, which lowers the rate of cellular respiration, damages the ability of the plant to utilise nutrients from the feed and further slows growth. So, it's like a knock-on effect.

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Ah that makes sense! It's really cool to understand the underlying mechanics.

[-] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

There's a University text book you can get really cheap second hand called "Plant Propagation and Practices." If you read through the sections on the structure of flowering plants, herbaceous plants and olericulture, You will know more about cannabis cultivation than any youtuber, influencer, or cannabis themed company around. The internet is not a good resource, because most of the information is put out by seed companies, nutrient companies and purveyors of cheap grow lights. It's not all awful, but the fact is they don't exist to ensure that your plants are great and you produce lots of cannabis with very little effort. They exist to sell you their below commercial quality equipment, at an insane markup, when you can get identical, or better equipment from Alibaba. Advanced Nutrients has made an absolute killing splitting up N-P-K over and over again and selling it back to you at 300% mark up. The mermaid with the big tits on the bottle, isn't for the plant, it's for you!

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

You know I just might order that. I'm so tired of the pitch and all the SEO garbage and that's before the AI slop started to take over. Makes learning about something such a hassle.

Is this the one?

[-] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

https://archive.org/details/PlantPropagationPrinciplesAndPacticesByHartmannAndKesters8thEdition

Probably close enough. This is the guy I used in college though. Anything from 5th edition up and you should be golden. Biology doesn't really change that much, Universities just like to recharge you for the same information. I completely agree with you on the AI slop. I use a flip phone and a library card. Any dumb-dumb can get ChatGPT to create an article online to sell you something. University text books are dense and boring and the only place I would look if I wanted to learn a completely new skill. Good luck with the babies bro!

[-] supernicepojo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Can you show more of the plant?

Are you sure those no parasites?

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah fairly sure no parasites. The rest of the plant looks pretty normal outside of a couple leaves that look like that

[-] Lighttrails@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago
[-] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk -1 points 1 month ago

Charts like this are quite useless in my view. They confuse more than they help. The issue is almost always either watering or PH. If not, then it's overfeeding (clawing/burnt leaf tips) or underfeeding (yellowing leaves on the bottom of the plant) the only exception to this is cal/mag deficiency which is easy to diagnose by mixing a foliage spray and misting both sides of the leaves. It should respond in few days given you've addressed potential watering/PH issues first.

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