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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

of at least a half-million Americans is to argue — nonsensically — that the virus came out of the Wuhan virology lab and therefore something, something, something Trump is not responsible. He’s doing this with House Oversight Committee hearings this week.

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[-] Eleazar@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

If there was a group opposite of Q then it has to be the majority of commenters located right here.

The thing you have in common is believing the most wild, outlandish, baseless conspiracies imaginable.

It would honestly be somewhat impressive if it weren’t so juvenile.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Oh fuck off.

https://www.businessinsider.com/kushner-covid-19-plan-maybe-axed-for-political-reasons-report-2020-7?op=1

Do you not remember the private planes being guarded by National Guard troops because the feds were stealing PPE?

[-] somePotato@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

No, he didn't "let people die".

He actively contributed to those deaths.

Right wing media spent the entire pandemic fighting against distancing, masks, vaccines, against science. And pretending horse dewormer was a miracle solution for everything. But it turns out reality isn't a political opinion, and millions of people died because of those lies.

When humanity was fighting against covid, Republicans were fighting on the virus' side

[-] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

But at the very beginning, there was one moment where they said we didn't need masks, so all of your points are refuted! /s

[-] zalack@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

I know you're being sarcastic but I still want to punch you. So fucking sick of that shit.

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago

In general, we were lucky that the epidemic wasn't something worse. Imagine the governmental failure during an Ebola pandemic.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Something worse is coming, and based on what happened this time, I'm terrified.

[-] thisbenzingring@wirebase.org 2 points 1 year ago

it happens at least once every hundred years, doesn't mean it won't happen sooner but it will happen again

[-] asparagus9001@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Will we ever be far enough removed from the pandemic that we can talk about how the federal government lied and ignored 100+ years worth of science on the efficacy of masking (including effective mask mandates during the "Spanish"/Kansas flu pandemic), without being accused of being an antivax conspiracy theorist?

I'm vaxed, waxed and ready to party, but it is a stone cold fact that they told people not to wear masks - and caused untold numbers of deaths - because they didn't want the general public to reduce the current supply.

(Fauci also did an absolutely horrendous, I mean historically awful job dealing with the AIDS crisis, but I guess that's for another time.)

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

I can't get over how 1.1 million Americans died and people are acting like it was bullshit.

[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Imagine a war causing that many deaths. There would be statues and a memorial holiday. All I got was a slightly diminished sense of smell and grandma's house.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Yup who knows how many people got long covid, chronic fatigue, do we even know all the effects?

[-] moon_crush@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, emphatically YES!

There was a dramatic shift in tone from the Trump White House during the early COVID days once it was realized that the virus outbreak centered on urban areas.

And it was incredibly obvious to anybody paying attention.

[-] Granite@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

And it was also painfully obvious that once it bit into rural areas, it was going to extract even more blood.

Trump lost GA by less votes than people who died of Covid before the election in GA.

[-] RocksForBrains@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Yes. Kushner also stole medical equipment and PPE to sell it to other nations.

[-] MrGeekman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

Look into why the government of Massachusetts had to borrow the New England Patriots' jet to smuggle PPE to Boston.

[-] keeb420@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

His administration stole supplies meant for liberal states and gave them to conservatives.

So, ugh , yes.

[-] RocksForBrains@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Worse, they sold much of it to the Sauds. Some of the very first shipments of masks and sanitizer.

[-] MinusPi@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago

Yes. All billionaires do this every single day they don't donate the majority of their wealth.

[-] littlecolt@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Generous to assume he's that rich.

He did, and it cost him the election. I know more than a few people who voted for him the first time, but switched to Biden due to Trump's COVID denial.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not political reasons, just personal greed. He was busy being a bean salesman when we needed a president.

[-] DougHolland@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Why is this even phrased as a question?

[-] whofearsthenight@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

A fun past time of the Trump years has been the articles and videos and such adjudicating whether or not Trump did something that usually we saw him do on TV, at a campaign rally, or through often multiple audio recordings.

[-] DougHolland@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

"It's fake news! I never did that, never said that!" (except on the video...

[-] Raphael@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When you side with Trump, you're siding with Genocide Denial.

[-] SaphireFox@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Foremost the virus was not Trump's fault it came out of Wuhan Lab. To answer the question Trump localized the burden of command to the states. Governors then took executive action. In Michigan Whitmore decided to put infected patients with COVID in nursing homes effectively killing the elderly. Was that Trump's fault?

The pandemic is a convenient culture war battle ground for each side to spite the other. My opinion won't be popular but my life doesn't stop where your fear begins. I completely disregarded all orders and rules then worked as normal. I was the first to demask. You wouldn't believe how many people thanked me as they walked into the store and took off their mask after seeing one man simply dissenting against the bullshit.

Most ppl wore bandanas or surgical masks which were not designed as shields against germs. One was designed so doctors would not spit into patients during surgery. It was never meant to be worn for 8 hours. Now ppl have micro plastics in their lungs. They're certainly not respirators which several liberals tried to convince me they were.

I know the liberals will whine and bitch that the uneducated republicans are killing everyone. But will they call Whitmore out? Will they call out AOC who was dining out in public in Florida and sunbathing on a crowded beach as her constituents were under authoritarian lockdown measures? No.

It's just Trump derangement syndrome and culture war bullshit. Most liberals jabbed from the very vaccine made possible by Warp Speed and Trump's executive action.

I'm not going to say Trump's actions were perfect. Biden and the DNC decried Trump's decision to ban international flights from China and other places as racism during the pandemic.

I'm just sick of the bullshit. It's not all Trumps fault. The democrats had their stinky hands in the COVID deaths too.

[-] asparagus9001@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You wouldn’t believe how many people thanked me as they walked into the store and took off their mask after seeing one man simply dissenting against the bullshit.

More and more people are saying it, folks

[-] nix@merv.news -1 points 1 year ago

Yes and Biden is doing the same thing by pretending the pandemic is over and even saying he no longer thinks about the pandemic. Its pathetic.

We’re living through a mass disabling event and the leaders are ignoring it. Upwards of 10% of infections causes long covid. People get infected on average 2/3 times a year.

[-] Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

And +90% of those infections are among the unvaccinated that STILL refuse to wear masks. It's nmo one's fault but their own for believing trump and certainly not Bidens's fault.

[-] nix@merv.news -1 points 1 year ago

Y’all are downvoting me because im not kissing Biden’s ass? Trump is a fascist prick who did terrible.

Biden is the current president. Biden hasnt mentioned getting boosters. No one is getting boosters and they arent even updated in time for the new variants. The vaccine efficacy wanes in 6 months. Biden hasn’t mentioned air purifiers, CR Boxes, ventilation, or masks.

Biden is the current leader and is leading the US to reinfections which cause brain damage, organ damage, and disabilities.

https://www.uclahealth.org/news/about-30-covid-patients-develop-long-covid-ucla-research

https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-long-term-brain-problems/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8871492/

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

This might be a hot take, but I think Trump is too dumb himself to have done this the way the article frames it. He is EMPHATICALLY responsible for the deaths of many, and for varied reasons, but he's simply not intelligent or thoughtful enough to have planned anything further than a few days ahead for political points.

His puppet masters though... different story. I 100% believe that the massive pieces of shit surrounding him manipulated him into doing some truly horrific things that led to more deaths than needed.

You really think a racist/classist turd like Stephen Miller didn't realize that the poor were obviously more at risk of infection and survival, and that the majority of those infected and dying would be in urban areas which largely vote Democrat? That little soulness asshat is probably more culpable for anything truly devious, like the kids in cages thing. He was gleefully laughing when asked about it the first time that was outed.

[-] Shartacus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Uhhhhh he was a politician, don’t they all?

[-] Raphael@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

The far right wants you to think all politicians are bad to make you stop thinking about politics.

To make you stop thinking about your rights.

To make you stop fighting.

[-] dudebro@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I dunno, did he?

[-] Calimhero@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

To be fair: most politicians do. I remember the French 2002 presidential elections. Chirac ordered speed traps disabled to get voters. Around 600 people died because of him. Small chance for a presidential mandate.

[-] steakmeout@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You shared a single example and then extrapolated that to most. To be fair: that's a bullshit long sword you drew.

[-] Calimhero@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Okay, I'll share more: global warming, pollution. Of course there is also war for oil or to get reelected, cuts in social aids and healthcare, homeless people dying in the street. Anyway, you're such a friendly person, have a great day.

[-] steakmeout@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Statements aren't examples.

Anyway.

[-] tallwookie@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

not as such, but no more than any previous President, and less than some

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