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JP recently appeared on "Jubilee", the YouTube channel known for having "debate-ish" videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwk5MPE_6zE

The setup here is they will take some person and surround them with tens of their opponents, so you have "Jordan Peterson vs 20 Atheists".

In this exact video, one of the people asks JP if he's a Christian and he replies "Don't be a smartass!"

I haven't seen someone that espouses so many Christian values and philosophy while trying to hold it at arm's length. Is this just part of the usual JP tactic where you call into question any terms used in a discussion to sound deeply philosophical?

He seems to have an atypical relationship with Christianity and I can't decide if that's some genuine crisis he has OR if he just pretends to hold this stance just to add one more slippery facet to his behavior.

If nothing else, it's very odd.

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[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 39 points 2 months ago

What's dumber is the video origionally was called 1 christian vs 20 atheists, and you see in the video at least one atheist brought up the video title that they all knew before they started. (In other words, Jordan Peterson specifically volunteered to play the christian in a video that when he agreed to it was called, 1 christian vs 20 atheists) Then later demanded they rename the video.

But further its simple, JP preffers to attack people's specific stances, from a nebulous position where he never has to give his own stance because he can't defend his own stance.

[-] JollyG@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

Peterson retreats to a politically convenient solipsism whenever challenged on anything. He is not a serious person.

[-] yarr@feddit.nl 6 points 2 months ago

I think that's a really accurate characterization. He has mastered the art of speaking without communicating.

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

JP is an atheist, but he recognizes the value in other people believing in Christianity. This is because the myths and symbols reinforce his worldview to people who (he views) aren't smart enough to get there with reasoning.

Also, like all Western Chauvinists, he can't let go of the idea of "Christendom".

[-] yarr@feddit.nl 4 points 2 months ago

JP is an atheist

He won't readily admit to that either. He somehow sits in the void between atheists and theists.

[-] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago

Atheist is a bit of an stupid term anyway. It's like saying I'm non-golfer.

[-] palordrolap@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago

Agnosticism is a thing. He might be off in his own weird non-declarative void-like corner but the whole intermedium isn't like that.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

JP expresses a belief in a deity.

That makes him a theist, even if that deity isn’t how we would typically conceive of god.

“God is conscience

[-] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"What do you mean 'belief?' What do you mean by 'in?' What does 'a' mean?"

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

That’s just his go to when he realizes he’s going to be mocked. Or he’s about to be proven stupid.

Guarantee you his definition of “god” would have changed had someone called him on his bullshit about Elisha or Jonah. (They expressed a view that one’s conscience is “the voice of god”… not god…)

[-] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

"Oh, you're really something aren't you?"

"I am, and you're nothing, aren't you?"

Mr Smarty Pants got destroyed.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

“I don’t want to talk with this guy!”

Fuck Peterson…. He’s a white supremacist.

[-] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

"I don't like that question. I don't LIKE that question. I don't like THAT question...!"

[-] kelpie_returns@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Reading "god is conscience" in Kermit's voice was surprisingly hilarious

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 10 points 2 months ago

Psedo-intellectual grifter

[-] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago

He's Schrodinger's Christian. Mother fucker is so slippery, getting a straight answer out of him is akin to trying to nail jello to a wall. Good luck.

[-] Devadander@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It’s not odd. He’s a hypocritical grifter and should be ignored by all. The framing of this post is concerning. This is not a man people should listen to

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I was just gonna go with “Who gives a shit?” but you put it better.

[-] Sunschein@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I think it speaks to his style of arguing. He doesn't commit to anything, so he can't be caught in the wrong on anything. He's free to take pot shots at his opponents while never giving them an opportunity to hold him accountable for his wrongheaded BS.

[-] chainysawrs@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

He’s an opportunist. A fraud.

[-] Live_your_lives@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm a Christian myself and have listened to a couple of Peterson's lectures on the Bible and I see him as someone who approaches the Bible with the mind of a conspiracy theorist or a New Age believer. He makes grand claims while using a handful of loosely related facts to support his beliefs and could care less about using a more rigorous approach. To him, any and all notable pieces of imagery in the Bible actually play important archetypal roles for fundamental principals in our grand cosmic reality

I believe JP has at the least strongly implied that he doesn't actually believe in the truth of the Bible, that he is agnostic towards an actual God, and that he instead uses Christianity more as a vehicle for understanding his own set of beliefs. So, to answer your question, you could fairly call him a Cultural Christian, but it would be very unfair to call him an actual Christian.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Because Christianity is a 'Choose Your Own Adventure' religion and doesn't have a singular meaning. The various Bibles don't all agree on interpretation and even the four gospels each give differing accounts of Jesus' character.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

He's a conservative. Conservatives cannot be held to any sort of philosophical or ideological consistency, because their positions on any issue are entirely negotiable. There are no fundamentally conservative values beyond "is this good for me?" That's why it's so appealing to conservatives to have a personal savior who fully accepts your apology and offers divine forgiveness for any transgressions.

[-] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Reducing half of the country’s population to a caricature like that is neither true nor helpful. Conservatives aren’t all the same - no more than Democrats are. You’d call them out for that kind of generalization, so you should hold yourself to the same standard.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I'm not reducing anyone to anything. Conservativism is always exactly the same, which is why it's called "conservativism." If a conservative isn't conservative, then they are something else.

It's not a generalization, it's the name for the phenomenon.

[-] Smeagol666@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

I can't fucking stand Jordan Peterson, I've never seen him go through a whole debate without being a disingenuous, obnoxious prick. When he knows he's backed into a corner, he pulls out the reductio ad absurdum (what is "is"). The only other fake intellectual I hate more is Ben Shapiro and his "Gish Gallop".

[-] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 2 points 2 months ago

My understanding is that Jordan doesn’t believe the Bible is literally true, but rather metaphorically true - in the same way people believe a porcupine can throw its quills. It can’t, factually speaking, but if you live as though it can, you’re probably better off than someone who doesn’t and ends up getting too close.

[-] Pudutr0n@feddit.cl 0 points 2 months ago

I can't speak for him but lots of people follow whatever religion's values and may appreciate the metaphors of their sacred texts without engaging in the rituals or belonging to the religion as a community/organization.

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