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[-] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 7 points 1 day ago

How will they reconcile this with Ubuntu that wants 26.04 LTS to still be able to launch X11 sessions from GDM?

[-] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 day ago

The source code is freely available and GNOME isn't beholden to Canonicals decisions. If the Ubuntu devs want to keep X11 around nobody can stop them from maintaining it themselves, or pay somebody from the GNOME team to do it for them.

[-] lukecooperatus@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago

We went ahead and disabled the X11 session by default and from now on it needs to be explicitly enabled when building the affected modules. (gnome-session, GDM, mutter/gnome-shell).

Aside from a simple flag change and a recompile before Canonical adds the packages to their repo, it doesn't sound like this will affect Ubuntu at all. They probably already do this anyway to add their own little patches.

The most likely scenario is that all the X11 session code stays disabled by default for 49 with a planned removal for GNOME 50.

GNOME 50 is when Canonical will truly need to either move to Wayland or do something else.

Seems fairly reasonable of a timeline from the GNOME team, IMO.

[-] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 2 points 20 hours ago

Something tells me Canonical won't just kneel to THE ALMIGHTY GNOME TEAM

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

i think they will still offer a x11 session as fallback, why not. its not much effort for now.

is there anything big still missing from wayland at this point, though? even nvidia is defaulting to wayland these days on ubuntu.

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 10 hours ago

GDM launches other environments too. I do not think it is about GNOME itself.

A big thing missing from Wayland are all the other X11 window managers (hundreds of them) and desktop environments (like XFCE and Cinnamon) that people may want to use.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

to be fair, keeping cinnamon on x11 was a major oversight. its the reason i don't really recommend mint. who knows what other major oversights are in there.

[-] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 1 points 17 hours ago

Yeah, but Canonical have stated they want X11 session support (for GDM to be able to launch, not necessarily for GNOME's X11 session), for 26.04 LTS, for one last LTS.

[-] Mwa@thelemmy.club 8 points 1 day ago

Hopefully GDM can still run X11 Desktops that's what I care the most

[-] Heavybell@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

What's stopping you from using wayland, out of interest?

[-] Mwa@thelemmy.club 1 points 11 hours ago

to run legacy x11 apps that dont work under xwayland??
but ik i can use a lightweight wayland compositor like labwc

[-] Heavybell@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

I was more wondering like what apps, since I've not had trouble myself.

Hadn't heard of labwc, will have to check it out if I run into issues, thanks.

[-] Mwa@thelemmy.club 1 points 10 hours ago

Yw and the only app(Ik a game but whatever) i have issues with is BeamNG (Native and proton with Vulkan renderer)

[-] scintilla@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 hours ago

Does it actually play better native than under proton/wine? Should be a dumb question but a lot of the games I've tried that are "native" work far better when I force them to use proton than let them be native.

[-] Paco@lemm.ee 1 points 12 hours ago

I sometimes install some windows programs in lutris. With some apps, the setup.exe wizard shows as a black window. Switching to xorg allows me to run the full setup without issues.

I also remember having issues with Nvidia/gnome and Wayland, but I haven't tried in a while and the Nvidia driver got updated a few times in the mean time.

[-] Heavybell@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Huh, interesting. I have seen the black window thing before but only with electron apps, and those can be told to use in-proc GPU to get around that issue. I assume that's not the issue you had.

[-] Paco@lemm.ee 1 points 5 hours ago

I honestly can't remember what the exact issue was. I would love to be on Wayland all the time, but I'm still happy to have the xorg session when I need it.

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