"Russia is the good guy and DEFINITELY no violent suppression of dissent here! Definitely no incidences of people "disappearing"! Russia is just bullied by the US! CENSORED"~dessalines, .ml admin, dev (lemmy.world)

submitted 3 days ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to c/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

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Source: https://lemmy.world/post/31072696/17552649

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[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

When "the US is worse than Russia" isn't supportive enough of Russia to remain on ml. Fantastic.

[-] cloudless@piefed.social 35 points 3 days ago

I would suggest using PieFed as well, so we are free from software developed by tankies.

[-] AccountMaker@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago

Here's hoping that we get an automated solution to migrating instances from lemmy to piefed in the near future

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

I'm more attached to Boost than the underlying platform, so the minute Boost adds PieFed support I'm gone lmao (Could be a hot minute though lol)

[+] freamon@preferred.social -7 points 2 days ago

PieFed's API has in very large part been added by me. There's more to do before the likes of Boost could provide the same experience as a Lemmy backend, but every time I look at this site I see your behavior, I find it a bit demoralising and depressing.

I understand what you're trying to do, with all this cross-post spam, and content-theft, and obsessive crawling through modlogs, but I highly doubt you'll achieve your goals.

One thing you have achieved though, is to actively discourage me from Fediverse development. So, yeah, well done: this is one reason why it will indeed be a 'hot minute' before Boost can use PieFed, but considering that you seem to have rejected the entirely viable option of just ignoring lemmy.ml and getting on with your life, I don't really believe you'll ever want to move platforms anyways.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If criticism of another developer is all it needs to make devs stop developing, the project was doomed from the beginning.

Trying to blackmail us into obeying and being quiet will just kill it faster. It's deplorable and doesnt shine a good light on you.

You got to expect that anti-fascists will criticise an admin licking a fascist's ass.

[-] freamon@preferred.social -2 points 2 days ago

I'm now concerned that I've unfairly brought PieFed into all this. It's not my project, and it will continue to thrive irrespective of how much I do or don't contribute to it.

I do, however, think that cm0002's current project is doomed. The idea that the admins of Lemmy instances of any significant size will defed from ML on the promise that one person will continue to be willing and able to replicate missing content, presumably forever, is not one I can foresee succeeding. If the admins of lemmy.ml weren't also the devs, then maybe, but otherwise no.

It was this approach that I was attempting to criticize, not any fundamental political disagreements.

[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

Content theft? What even is that?

[+] freamon@preferred.social -10 points 2 days ago

On the off-chance someone creates some original content, it's likely that they'll want their name to be associated with (as the post author), and I assume that they're motivated to do it by the potential engagement they'll receive (in terms of replies and upvotes).

Should they commit the crime of submitting the post to a lemmy.ml community though, then cm0002's bot will come along, and post it elsewhere. The attribution will be lost, and the post will be newer and possibly on a bigger server, so is likely to get the more engagement.

It's not like everybody who posts to a ML community is a tankie or whatever, but they lose out because of some spat they have nothing to do with.

[-] peregrin5@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Most of us are completely defederated from .ml or blocking it. So if someone else doesn't post that content in a non-blocked instance, a large segment of us will never see it.

I want nothing to do with .ml or the other tankie instances. If someone wants credit for posting things, they should do so from a non-.ml account to a non-.ml instance.

Even if they aren't a tankie themselves, what do they say about someone who isn't a Nazi that sits at a table full of Nazis in a bar full of Nazis and says nothing about them being Nazis?

[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago

But if it's a crosspost, then can't people just visit the original source?

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 12 points 2 days ago

Every time I've seen cm0002 repost content from a .ml community, they've credited the author. Might want to check your sources on that.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm sorry that you feel that way, but I also find it odd that you don't seem to find their behavior "demoralizing and depressing"

For the most part, I just use tools and features built-in to Lemmy, like the cross-posting functionality. The most automation I use is simple notifications (e.g. I'm not manually "crawling through the modlog", it's just a (very buggy) python script that fires off a notification upon a matching set of conditions)

But yet, you're perfectly cool with them straight up exploiting a known weakness/design flaw in the Lemmy-verse to further their goals?? Where's your condemnation of that behavior. I'm not even the first, or last, user they've done that sort of thing to before. And even in some cases going further and straight up attempting to doxx users.

There's so much evidence and documentation, that I could form a mega thread on it, with everything from numerous examples of blatant censorship/micromanaging in furtherance of a toxic political agenda to allowing the spread of known propaganda/misinformation and repeating Russian/China talking points like Russia's Ukraine invasion being just a negotiating tactic or that the Uyghur Genocide was just birth control overblown

And your response was to handwave all that away with, "Just ignore them and any damage they do to the nascent Thrediverse"?

Which BTW, might have been viable, too bad they see proper user/instance blocking as a threat to their ability to spread their "message" so it still doesn't work properly after 4 years despite something like that being important enough that it should be considered a core feature

[+] freamon@preferred.social -10 points 2 days ago

Sure, okay, let's say I'm demoralised and depressed about all that too. My potential for unhappiness knows no limit.

It doesn't change the fact that I find the ways in which you're perpetuating your endless feud with Lemmy's developers to be overly disruptive. As a compromise, would you at least consider packing in the reposting of questions asked to asklemmy@lemmy.ml to the community on world?

That's not using existing functionality. It's not a question for which you're genuinely seeking an answer. The pollution from mindless crossposting of URL-based posts can be mitigated somewhat, but it's a harder problem to solve for text-based ones. Also, traffic from lemmy.world is more than all the traffic from every other instance combined, so there's no value in needlessly adding to it.

Thanks.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It doesn't change the fact that I find the ways in which you're perpetuating your endless feud with Lemmy's developers to be overly disruptive.

I'm doing what I do because I have identified 2 main reasons holding back other instances from defederation (which is the ultimate goal, as wide of defederation as the rest of the Triad is treated); 1) .ml has "big" comms and niche comms, 2) Lack of evidence/overtness

2 is addressed by my documentation of the mod log and posting here, there are some other behind the scenes stuff I'm working on to further this pain point as well, but not ready for prime time just yet

1 is addressed by my cross-posting, I do generally aim for non.world comms where possible. I also try to compensate my cross-posts on a 1:2 ratio. For every .ml crosspost I try to post 2 articles/content that I've come across on my own aka "organic posts"

I use https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active_month for final judgement, (usually the comm closest to dethroning the .ml version of a comm in MAUs, if that's a .world comms but another off-world one is close enough, I'll choose that instead. If an off-world comm already beats the .ml comm, I'll go to the next off-world, off-ml version as is the case with !technology@lemmy.world, my current favorite is forwarding to !technology@lemmy.zip

As a compromise, would you at least consider packing in the reposting of questions asked to asklemmy@lemmy.ml to the community on world?

That's not using existing functionality. It's not a question for which you're genuinely seeking an answer. The pollution from mindless crossposting of URL-based posts can be mitigated somewhat, but it's a harder problem to solve for text-based ones. Also, traffic from lemmy.world is more than all the traffic from every other instance combined, so there's no value in needlessly adding to it.

That's fair, and honestly text based posts took the longest for me to cross-post because of that, until I eventually settled on the "Original question/text by" format

As far as !asklemmy@lemmy.world goes, I was actually made aware that asklemmy leap frogged the .ml version and I had just started directing those posts towards !ask@lemm.ee ....and then the .ee shutdown was announced so I halted going there.

There's a bunch of specific ask"X" comms, but no other general asklemmy comms (at least as far as I could see from .world) if you have a suggestion on that, id be more than happy to send to a different smaller comm/instance

Also, just because I didn't think of it first, doesn't mean I'm not invested in the answers LMAO asklemmy cross-posts remain the most skipped, I'm often only doing ones that I have at least some level of interest in seeing the answers

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

Thank you for doing your part in growing smaller instance communities!

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 9 points 2 days ago

Mbin is also a thing

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

Just saw a video of FSB (I think, maybe OMOH) ambushing war protestors in the streets of Russia.

Totally different, right?

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Sounds like a WeStOiD deep fake!/s

[-] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 4 points 2 days ago

“y’all”

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

Ah nationalism.

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