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California Gov. Gavin Newsom is floating a federal tax boycott (www.cbsnews.com)
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As tensions escalate between California and the Trump administration over immigration, another potential battlefront is emerging over taxes.

The spat began with reports that the Trump administration is considering cutting funding for California's university system, the largest higher education system in the nation with about 12% of all U.S. enrolled students.

In response, Gov. Gavin Newsom wrote Friday afternoon in a social media post that California provides about $80 billion more in taxes to the federal government than it receives in return.

"Maybe it's time to cut that off, @realDonaldTrump," Newsom said.

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[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

One thing that might be misunderstood here is that California not paying taxes wouldn't harm Trump. Trump's goal, made clear from a sum of lots of behaviors, is the destruction of the United States. Defaulting on its debt, zeroing its GDP, destroying the livelihood of its inhabitants, and ultimately killing its war machine, so that they can't fight Putin's army. California's lack of payment may just hasten that goal.

[-] SheepHerder@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

I don't think he is a puppet of Putin. I think he really, really likes money and power, that's it. He does things to further his own grip of the country, thus increasing his power. Or, he does things to increase his wealth. Nothing more. He likes authoritarian leaders because they have more of a hold on their respective countries (a weird form of respect), or because they give him money (or expensive planes).

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[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It might put California on the track to surviving Trump's destruction and becoming a civilized country opposed to Putin, unlike other US states.

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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

MOTHERFUCKING DO IT

Stop bending the knee to a felon rapist traitor who uses the military to assault American citizens.

Stop providing welfare to failing red states who elect felon rapist traitors who target blue states.

[-] discreetelite@feddit.uk 12 points 10 months ago

This would be madlad behaviour if it actually happens

[-] selkiesidhe@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago

CA is the forth largest economy; it would destroy the red state fuckheads if they stopped paying federal taxes. The rest of us follow suit and we defund the motherfuckers stinking up the government.

If you are sending our military against OUR OWN FUCKING PEOPLE we should not be PAYING FOR IT. My taxes don't go to that fascist bullshit

🖕🤬🖕 Fuck drumpf and every bootlicker that got him (probably illegally) elected

[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Fucking do it. I'll cum buckets.

[-] cattywampas@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

I don't think there's really a way to do this, since federal taxes are paid directly to the fed without state involvement. This is just to poke the bear, which I am all for.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Companies, no. But the state employs a lot of people.

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[-] Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip 8 points 10 months ago

Holy fucking shit. I'm amazed, I was just saying the other day that this would eventually get into this point. Didn't think it'd be this week

[-] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

Fascism only has one speed: Blitzkrieg.

Any other speed would be slow enough for people to have enough time to band together and organize a resistance to this horseshit.

That's literally the only playbook. Break everything: Go fast. Hit people with so much horseshit they are still stuck trying to process the one from 2 weeks ago, because since then 5 other constitutional crisis' have happened and now they're deporting both of your neighbors.

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[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

The guys that are currently restoring confederate monuments would perform a takeover of the state by the federal government. US states no longer share core values, sometimes very hypocritically so.

[-] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

If just New York and California did this, it would cripple some red states

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

All red states. It would cripple the country and thus ALL red states.

[-] j0ester@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Good. Even my state provides more, than we get. Fuck em! Let them have their Jesus Land. That will make America great, no red states.

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[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

In a shocking twist rural Californian conservatives now want to pay federal taxes.

[-] ChillCapybara@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 10 months ago

So private prison giant GEO group Donates heavily to Trump‘s campaign. Trump has ice indiscriminately pick people up for “deportation“ where they are sent to prisons run by GEO group. Concerned citizens protest ICE actions in California. Trump illegally deploys national guard without the consent of California's government to attack law abiding citizens in California. Gavin Newsome, Liberal democrat and defender of capitalism, uses legal tactics to fight back against illegal activities. To me this act rings hollow. Please someone tell me what I am missing, because I would love to have a glimmer of hope these days.

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Don't bet on hope from this. California can't win on its own.this needs to build significantly before it has an effect.

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[-] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 months ago

If blue states were to band together and do this, it would bankrupt Trump’s fascist federal government pretty quickly. Maybe a blue state Articles of Confederation is in order.

[-] WHARRGARBL@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

California, Oregon, and Washington are all donor states that contribute a combined ~$160 billion more to the federal government than they get back each year. They also make up $3.1 trillion of the GDP, they have all mainland west coast ports, and they’re major agricultural states. They’d honestly be better off if they banded together to Bugs Bunny off.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago

There's a bigger thing people tend to forget: shipping ports. There aren't a lot of natural harbors on the west coast of North America. California has three of them (LA, Long Beach, San Fransisco) and Washington has two (Seattle and Tacoma).

Want to trade anything with the rest of the world? The east coast and Mississippi ports aren't going to cut it. Don't want to trade anything? The US economy just went into depression.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 10 months ago

stopping paying taxes is one of the essential elements of a "soft secession", one where the state disintegrates from the federation, but not "all at once", but "step by step".

Maybe it was Trump's plan after all to cause a number of states to secede? After all, GOP has talked about Texas' secession for a while, iirc?

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Project 2025 shows that the Republicans have at least one person with the ability to plan long term strategy.

[-] MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

just fucking do it, you asshole.

[-] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Feel free to join Canada my friends.

[-] Bravo@eviltoast.org 4 points 10 months ago
[-] anachrohack@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I remember seeing it as "america" vs "dumbfuckistan"

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[-] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

California should just leave the US and form its own country.

[-] 4grams@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago

Been saying that we’re headed for balkanization since the clown won his first term. Not seeing any reason to change that prediction.

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[-] forrcaho@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Ok, this is an idea I had after reading numerous comments on this post. You're all asking how this would work ... hear me out.

California declares its own currency, the "California dollar". Wages earned in California dollars wouldn't be taxed like US Dollars.

There are some issues to work out; I think the IRS does tax your foreign assets ... some ... but I think that this scheme could work.

[-] anachrohack@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Economically, it would be an uphill battle. The US dollar is strong because it's backed by decades of sound monetary policy (that will go right out the window when jerome powell's tenure is up) and a AAA credit rating for treasury bonds (that will disappear when the Republicans in congress finally drive us off a cliff) . A Californian dollar would be untrustworthy for a while as its central bank would need time to build trust

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Soundish monetary policy. In the end it's a fallacy that has never even been tried on a theoretical level. We just did it and people were like, ok. We've been kept afloat by monetary and military threats. The policy makes no sense on any level, that infinite debt is perfectly fine or normal.

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[-] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Can anyone explain what this even means? Like W2 taxes go directly from employer to federal right? What kind of control can California actually do to stop monetary flow to the federal government?

Or would everyone have to manually adjust their W2 withholdings to boycott?

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