If a result like this was found in a swing state, I'd be sure it was malicious. In New York, that seems improbable. Someone clever enough to conduct the attack is unlikely to be stupid enough to employ it in a way that creates an obvious anomaly without changing the result.
I will point out that this cannot change the result of the presidential election, since Trump didn't win the state in question anyway.
Leftists and liberals all think they're somehow immune to conspiracy theories, but here we are. Nearly everyone commenting or voting in this thread has an opinion based on feelings, and they're looking for evidence to justify their beliefs. "I'm not one to believe conspiracy theories, but..." That's a load-bearing "but" there.
No really: stop for ten seconds and think about why you believe this. Be honest.
Yes, I'm aware of the video that's been linked repeatedly where they can't explain how a small percentage of Trump cultists only voted for Trump and no one else. Imagine that: voters who think the entire system is corrupt and Trump is their savior don't vote for anyone else.
Here's an actual recount in a swing state, and it found nothing.
And as korendian has been trying to tell you, New Square in Ramapo, NY is a tiny, 100% Hasidic village and votes as a monolithic bloc.
There is a strong expectation that residents of New Square will conform to community norms... Those who have not conformed voluntarily have faced vigilante justice, as exemplified by the New Square arson attack and other incidents.
I'm not saying the election was clean. It never is. Red states purge voters they shouldn't, they enact laws to discourage voters and make it more difficult, etc. And sometimes it actually is a conspiracy: 2000 is one example where it really was rigged for Bush through coordinated efforts.
But there's zero persuasive evidence for 2024. If I see some, I'll charge my mind. But not until then.
Seems pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Like I hate the orange fuck as much as the next guy but this won't change shit and is a waste of time that could be spent doing something better.
The point is that if there was malfeasance, it was likely applied by an algorithm in a way that was meant to be non-obvious. But, if you're applying any kind of broad vote-rigging algorithm to vote tallying equipment across the country...well you're going to screw up in some cases.
The idea would be to first find absolute definitive proof of election fraud in one precinct. Once that's been done, you can use those result it justify broader searches. For example, if it's found that this one area has fraud, then the NY legislature might direct funds to do a hand recount of the whole state. And other states can do the same.
Even if it wouldn't revert the presidential election, if fraud is found in house votes, enough blue states might be able to reverse the elections of Republican House members elected by fraud, enough to flip the balance of power in the House. Plus definitive proof of fraud would immediately make Trump lose all political legitimacy, regardless of whether there is any actual legal mechanism to remove a president from power after being proven to be fraudulently elected...well any mechanism beyond the broken impeachment mechanism.
I see your point. I withdraw my original point.
You do understand that if these machines were compromised, a lot more could be a well. This is the best lawsuit because there are sworn affidavits saying people voted a certain way and the results were different. Literally 0 votes.
Does this mean libs will stop blaming voters?
I believe most of the blame was on non-voters.
Same difference really.
Edit: Seems I was not very clear, I am saying its equally as stupid (and destructive) for a party to blame voters as it is to blame non voters. You know since you tend to win elections by having more people vote for you then the other guys so villainizing and alienating voters/potential voters seems counter productive.
When someone does something stupid, I think it's only appropriate to blame them for stupid outcomes.
Sure, but others can do that. Its a very stupid thing to do as a political party however.
They did it leading up to the election as well. I thought Barack Obamas attempts to shame voters/non-voters was particularly distasteful. I can't speak for others but for me, his words pushed me away from the democrat party, not towards it.
Its the end state for a two party system I think. At this point there is not much attempt to run a campaign on policy or plan, just guilt flinging and excuses while both teams say don't vote for the other guys as they are evil.
I guess both sides could be right, they could both be evil.
Joking aside though I think you are right.
You mean blaming leftists?
They won't. They can't even blame the person who's job it is to be a popular candidate with polices that interest the voting public to win.
Genuinely curious why time is being wasted on this? Is there any other evidence that suggests a good reason for even trying?
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