And its still incorrect, cluster bombs are banned by the Convention on Cluster Muntions, which neither Israel or Iran are a party to.
And Israel uses white phosphorus on Gazans which also breaks the Geneva convention so fuck them anyway
silly billy, don't you not international law doesn't apply to the IOF
What happened to "an attacked nation has the right to defend itself"?
that only applies to white people, silly!
*rich people
If Caucasians count as white, then Iranians are white. A lot of Iranians are also religious and right wing too. The average Republican and the average Iranian would agree with each other on nearly everything if they could somehow have a conversation without divulging their country, clothes, and specific God.
You got it the wrong way around. Race is made up to justify racism.
Italians (and the Irish, too, I think) once didn't count as white, for crying out loud.
Sounds like they want this to apply:
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
Build the nuke already please. (For mutually assured destruction reasons so Israel can fuck right off)
While I’d like to see the Iranian people not be subject to Israeli ‘acceptable civilian deaths’ calculus and have their country cucked like Syria/Lybia, I'm also not hype on their government leaders getting that same MAD protection as well, because they absolutely don’t deserve it
Why not? Based on Iran’s history, I think it’s highly improbably they would use nukes offensively. They have every reason to want to develop a nuke. It’s likely that they even have the capacity to make one. Even then, they’ve refused to. All evidence points to the fact that they genuinely want peace. All of their responses to either American or Israeli attacks have been very limited. Even their allies all seem primarily interested in self defense.
While the government may not be to your liking, having nukes is not going to prevent organic resistance. In fact, having a real deterrent against foreign military intervention ensures that the people of Iran can focus on fighting for their personal freedoms and not their very lives. In the past there have been real protest movements in favor of social reform. Now though? Iranians are demonstrating in defiance of Israel and in support of the Iranian state.
To be clear, I’m not exactly a fan of nuclear proliferation. However, in a world where the only country to ever use nukes as a weapon and their genocidal proxy are aiming to obliterate your country, having a nuclear deterrent makes everyone safer.
While I mostly agree, the rules are a bit different when death cults are involved.
Yeah, the rule is: "when death cults like Israel and the USA keep attacking you, you need that nuke"
You mean the country currently starving 2 million people for the crime of their ethnicity and the one attacking sovereign nations to keep their parliament together?
Yes, Death cults like Israel shouldn't have nukes.
Why are we not protected by the agreements we dropped out of so we could easily commit human rights abuse on others?!
Israel apparently...
Ukraine and Russia have been using cluster munitions on each other for years. US even gave Ukraine our obsolete stock of cluster munitions to specifically use on Russia. This definitely doesn't surprise me, and I'm gonna guess they continue to be weapons of war, just like unmanned drones, despite any collateral dangers. Collateral damage at rates of 1 civilian to 1 combatant are now normalized.
I've seen a few clips of ukranians taking angle grinders to the American cluster munitions. Apparently they remove the individual explosives to use as drone drops.
I had no idea, good on them!
Projection. It's the all to common playbook unfortunately.
Are 2000 pounder JDAM dropped on gazan civilian buildings more moral than a cluster bomb?
The moral calculus of bombs is a truly fucked up thing.
If the JDAM is driving a single conventional warhead, it is more ethical than a cluster bomb.
It is common for some of the cluster bomblets to not detonate creating unknown minefields that persist for decades. A single bomb only goes off once.
(This is the ethics of the bomb, not the conflict they're used in)
Okay but if it hits a full apartment building, 100% of that bomb goes to killing unaware civilians.
Which is the whole reason cluster munitions are bad.
Any weapon fired at a civilian is a war crime. It doesn't matter what kind of munition was used. The problem with cluster bombs is that the shooting party, cannot control the result. Signatories of IHL have a responsibility to minimize damage to civilian people and assets. The same reason autonomous weapons are a huge ethical problem.
gazan civilian tents
is there a non-israel/western source that confirms this actually happened?
Israel never withdrew from the ICC...
...because they never actually joined.
To join as a member state, you have to ratify the Rome Statute. They signed, but never ratified or acceded.
i meant the carpet-bombing
Cluster bomb =/= carpet bomb.
Carpet bomb is indiscriminately bombing the shit out of a huge area.
Cluster bomb is a specific bomb that releases many smaller bombs. The biggest issue with cluster bombs in how many of the bomblets dont detonate on impact. Because now there is just live munitions laying around which result in collateral damage at a later time
After being founded, what, 8 decades ago?
They absolutely should open the investigation tho. All war criminals, no matter if Israeli or Iranian belong in prisons, not governments.
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