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Hi there, We removed Dark and Darker from sale on the Epic Games Store on March 5 in consideration of a court decision in Korea between Nexon and the game's publisher, IRONMACE. On November 1, 2025, we will be removing Dark and Darker from your library, at which point it will no longer be playable via the Epic Games Store.

Effective immediately, players can no longer purchase Redstone Shards or the Legendary Status upgrades via the Epic Games Store. Players can continue to use the Redstone Shards that they have previously purchased until November 1, 2025.

We will issue a refund to all players who have purchased the Legendary Status upgrade. Refunds will be issued to the player’s original payment method, and where that’s not possible, players will receive a refund to their Epic account balance. We are unable to provide refunds on Redstone Shards.

If you have not received a refund by July 1, please contact player support.

Thank you,
The Epic Games Store team

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 hours ago

I guess Nexon wasn't happy with $6 million because the court found Dark & Darker wasn't copyright infringement, but was an infringement of 'trade secrets'.

If I remember 2023 correctly, Nexon decided to cut the game at the end of development and dumpster their work. So the devs left and finished the game on their own. Since Nexon never actually made/finished/released the game they couldn't claim copyright.

https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/dark-and-darker-developer-did-not-commit-copyright-infringement-court-rules-but-has-to-pay-nexon-nearly-usd6-million-anyway/

[-] Noerknhar@feddit.org 31 points 17 hours ago

It's a multiplayer freemium game. Even if they let you keep your "copy" of it, servers will be down and the game will not be playable anyways. At least they offer a refund.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago

Two crimes, then.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

Multiplayer online games used to allow you to self-host so there was no obligatory centralised server. The game need not be deleted, that was purely a business decision.

[-] whats_a_lemmy@midwest.social 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I remember when you could be a listen server or run your own dedicated server using the freely available executable. Been a while since I've seen anything like that

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

The suits found out what servers are. Worst shit that ever happened

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 14 hours ago

The game would have gone offline eventually anyway. Most people get nothing when that inevitably happens. Some games flip to an offline only version, but that's very rare.

Hell, I bought single player offline games from the Play store for my phone, and they no longer seem to exist. RIP Rayman Jungle Run.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Perpetuum official servers went down years ago, so they open source the server and the game lives on. Free on steam

[-] purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 15 points 15 hours ago

I'll give them props that they are going to refund owners for the bit they can, I would have expected most stores so to go "oh well! we have been ordered to remove it, sucks to be you."

[-] KingOfTheCouch@lemmy.ca 9 points 14 hours ago

I mean to be fair, as the court determined, the people making this game stole parts of the game to sell to you in the first place, so this was piracy with more steps. I feel like the correct action would have been for the store to stop selling the game, the people that made money be forced to give that money to the people that were harmed by the steeling of the content. I guess it's a bad look on Epic for them too to keep money made from this and maybe they are just trying to avoid being drawn into this ordeal by doing it this way. Legal systems in other countries can be a bit more precarious than what we expect.

But yeah, it's a dark precedent. Remove them from my library so I can't redownload them from Epic? Never see updates? Maybe even not ever launch through Epic's app? Sure. I get that.

I really wish these stores had better simple language right in the "buy now" buttons. (Like, for example, "Rent now!")

[-] 486@lemmy.world 102 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Reminder that you do not own digital games

That is not universally true. On GOG for example you can download all your games, so things like this could not happen there. Sure, you still technically purchase a license and do not actually buy the games, but for all intents and purposes this is still the closest you get to actually owning the games.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 43 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They don't have DRM. That's not the same as owning the game. If you don't back up the games or installers yourself, and GOG goes under, you lose access to your library the same as Epic or Steam going away.

You can back up your Steam and Epic games, too. You just need to be able to access your account to verify your license for most titles (but not everything; loads of games do not use Steam or Epic's DRM, have no online checks to verify anything, and you can just copy the installation folder to another machine to play the game). But you can also easily crack both of their DRM to skip the online checks even if they do use it.

This goes for physical media as well. You own the disk; you do not own the software on said disk. The software on the physical media could still have an online check to see if you are a license holder (this is what CD-Keys are used for) and block you from installing/running the software, despite it being on your own CD/DVD. I am pretty sure I myself have games on disk that can not be installed because the online verification servers no longer exist, so the only way to install them is with cracks.

[-] 486@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago

They don’t have DRM. That’s not the same as owning the game.

That's why I mentioned that you purchase a license. That has also always been true even if you "bought" a game as a physical copy in a store. A DRM-free game is still the closest thing you get to owning a game.

If you don’t back up the games or installers yourself, and GOG goes under, you lose access to your library the same as Epic or Steam going away.

I have heard this argument before, but I really don't get it. Of course you could lose your files if you don't download them. I'd say that's so obvious it isn't even worth mentioning. If you lose or destroy your physical copy of a game you also lose access to it. Pretty obvious.

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[-] kewko@sh.itjust.works 9 points 21 hours ago

So you're saying torrenting and seeding is basically a moral obligation?

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

It's just basic preservation of art. 😤

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 16 hours ago

also piracy, ironically

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[-] you_are_dust@lemmy.world 47 points 23 hours ago

My opinion is once I've paid for a game, piracy is on the table for that game if anything happens that prevents me from playing the copy I purchased.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 18 hours ago

This is a multiplayer freemium game though, I don't think there are any cracked servers for it, and supposedly there are options for Epic users to retain their accounts with things they've bought (the game is also apparently kind of p2w).

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 13 points 22 hours ago

Not just your opinion, it's the law in some places.

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[-] dbtng@eviltoast.org 12 points 18 hours ago

Steam has proven to be a far, far, far more capable and stable repository for my games that I could be ... since May 2006. I got Steam because that's how you bought Half Life 2.

Ya know what? I can still play Half Life 2. I've never had the slightest problem accessing any Steam game other than Ubisoft crap, and now I don't buy Ubi.

Add it up, man. That's 19 years of gaming. 151 games. And I have access to every bit of it, at my whim.
For some basic comparison, I have a couple digital pictures that old. A handful. And its shocking that I managed to keep track of them that long. An accident, really.
Steam does the job of safeguarding my games much better than I can.

[-] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 16 hours ago

Hate to think what will happen when Gaben retires.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago
[-] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 13 hours ago

Sure, that is the alternative, but nothing will beat the wide range of functionality that steam and valve provide. The death of this platform would be catastrophic.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Agreed. If Steam goes under (not really likely), there's still GOG & itchio.

[-] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 7 points 16 hours ago

This isn't exclusive to epic. Steam has had games removed as well.

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[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 65 points 1 day ago

When steam takes games off the store they let you still download them. Epic just sucks.

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 hours ago

Sure do. They're on my disk and without DRM or removed DRM.

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