Tell that to Hong Kong demonstrators on June 16, 2019, estimated by organizers at 2 million people marching. Hong Kong had a population of 7.5 million at the time.
Sure there was violence both before and after that protest, but mostly caused by violent crackdown by police.
But did it fail because there was violence or was violence a sign of stronger opposition? Causation vs correlation and all that.
The cries for violence here are quite disgusting. I understand our American friends are frustrated, but violence is only going to get you killed. The police in the US have been receiving military gear for decades now. If you want violence, you will get it.
Then there are some major misconceptions about the 3.5% rule. That is for persistent non-violent protests. Week in, week out, for months at a time, before this yields results. Violent protests drive away many of the people you need on board to achieve genuine change and make it exponentially harder to get to your 3.5%. Try getting a grandma or a family with kids to join when molotov cocktails are being thrown around.
So for everyone here calling for violence, you are idiots and you won't achieve a damn thing.
One thing I love about the protests is seeing the little children and grandmothers marching side by side with my extraordinarily angry ass. Yeah I have to moderate my language a little, but I feel much less alone seeing a multi-generational sea of people standing with me.
you're the bigger idiot if you think non-violence works against fascists, and you'll achieve even less (unless you count the deaths of innocents that are on your hands, coward)
Just existing is getting a lot of us killed. It ain't even just the poor anymore, we've got real assassinations happening.
I dont support it but I understand it. All the achievements of the baddies at the moment is being carried out aggressively if not violently.
Its hard to see that and just march.
my fucking ass 👅🥾
Bolsheviks, Stonewall riots, suffragettes, all famously peaceful movements that got their rights by staying on their knees and asking nicely.
American Revolution. French Revolution. Iranian Revolution.
Just a few very violent, and successful, revolutions.
Also non violent protests turn violent because the opposition embed bad actors to create the violence or counter protest pushes people to violence out of self defense.
no non-violent movement that has involved more than 3.5% of a population has ever failed
US police: hold my riot gear!
Considering the UK's biggest export is independence days, it's kind of hard to think that all of those were solved through non violent means.
The US population is about 340 million. So we would need 11.9 million to protest.
"This was partly the result of strength in numbers. Chenoweth argues that nonviolent campaigns are more likely to succeed because they can recruit many more participants from a much broader demographic, which can cause severe disruption that paralyses normal urban life and the functioning of society."
In other words, violent protests work better, but they lack the amount of people.
but YS(also)K: correlation does not equal causation.
a non-violent protest like the ones described in this article can only commerce, if it is not opposed by state sponsored violence. and that's usually indicative of a government that's already falling apart.
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