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[-] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 27 points 1 month ago

Oh good. Americans will die.

Trump will be fine.

But Americans are gonna die.

Trump is a traitor Nazi.

[-] Kirp123@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

More Americans died of Covid than in any war the US was involved since it became a country, yes including the Civil War. The highest death estimate for the Civil War puts it around 750 000 deaths while around 1 200 000 died due to Covid. Most Americans don't really care about the deaths of their fellow countrymen since, you know, they elected him again.

Fun Fact (I know it's not that fun): The number of people that died of Covid approaches the total number of people that died in all conflicts the US was involved from 1775 to 2019: 1 300 000 war dead versus 1 200 000 Covid dead

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

there’s still time to get those numbers up

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

By 2000 more Americans had died of AIDS than any war but the civil war. Though I will admit I was surprised we still didn't care when it wasn't just undesirables dying. Turns out we're able to be ablist enough to declare anyone who dies of disease basically already dead beforehand

[-] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Maybe they can blow up his hotels and golf courses. He'd actually care more.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh good. Americans will die.

Trump will be fine.

I dunno. Iran got caught by American intelligence trying to assassinate Trump not long ago, under Biden.

[-] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 month ago

I mean, yeah, that's what a declaration of war usually entails.

[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 10 points 1 month ago

Trump doesn't even have the class to declare.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

He also can't. Proclamations of war are made by the legislature. (Congress). If the President sends troops in a supposed emergency they can go without legislative consent for 90 days and must be recalled at that time without the legislature's approval. It's stupid, because 90 days into a conflict we have troops on the ground and an immediate evacuation only hurts us economically and global appearance some worry about. Not to mention the troops lost/injured, casualties left with those attacked and Congress not agreeing to keep them there is an admission that it was wrong, so not paying restitution would hurt international relations as well.

To me it comes to, if he orders troops on the ground, an immediate Congressional impeachment would be needed, and the Senate to remove him, or they will vote in favor of staying in the fight to "save face" and not care how many innocent lives die or are thrown into poverty, starve, are raped, wrongly imprisoned, tortured, and the damages it will cause to the mental health of a whole new generation of our soilders and people of other counties around the world.

[-] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

You're speaking like you have a functional government.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

The funding comes from Congress.... So either they approve it or are forced to approve it which they would have to recognize they no longer exist as an entity if the executive branch can write their checks for them.

So to save face, they would have to approve or impeach. Or completely give up the guise that it is a Republic. Their votes are public record. So the executive branch could make them up, post them and threaten them not to say anything.. but I doubt many of them would go through with that and not vote to impeach unless they are truly pro dictatorship. Some of them think they are pro dictatorship, but when you gather hundreds of people spending their lives/career trying to work their way up in power and someone says they are going to dissolve their positions/power and their chances of rising or having any say plummet.. they would be powerless if they chose to follow... Greed and self preservation would make them not want it.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

It used to be that non-combatants weren't considered legitimate targets. Ain't progress fun?

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Americans have only ever pretended to care about non-combatants when it's convenient. President Obama even invented the term 'enemy combatant' so he could pretend his drone strikes were killing fewer civilians.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago

Well, it used to be that they were too. Have you heard of all the cities in Europe that were effectively destroyed during WWII?

It comes and goes, usually whenever it's useful. It sucks, but war is horrible. If civilians don't want to be targets they should pressure their governments to not be in them. Yes, sometimes it's worth fighting, but sometimes it isn't.

[-] FuckFascism@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago
[-] the_wiz@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago

As if the US have ever given a fuck who they blew up...

[-] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Since when?

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Mmm, not really.

You can't just slaughter civilians willy nilly. Well, you can, obviously, as shown by what's going on in the world, but international laws say you shouldn't.

Iran could legally intern any Americans, but civilians wouldn't still be POW's. And should technically have rights and whatnot.

[-] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

International laws have said you shouldn't since they were written, and not a single engagement has followed those laws. I disregard their existence as much as the people who enact war.

[-] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 month ago

The headline is somewhat misleading. Iran said US personnel are legitimate targets (meaning those employed by the US government. Not all US citizens.

Although if I were American I would not risk depending on the judgment of a random Iranian soldier.

Haha welp, guess we have airline bombings to look forward to in the future

This timeline fucking blows, guys.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My best guess is that they'll use biological warfare. Our culture has already demonstrated that this is a huge weakness. They could also get us with a cyber attack, shutting down important infrastructure that way.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Release Ebola or some such thing in America, and the MAGAs will make sure no laws or mandates are passed to prevent it's spread. 50% of the population will be gone within a year, destroying our society without firing a shot.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

It would be oddly poetic to use our own basic grossness against us. Americans have terrible hygiene.

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 points 1 month ago

Our government is exceptional at dealing in violence but inept at handling threats that it can't beat, shoot, or bomb into submission.

The societal response and government handling of COVID was not at all reassuring. To the point that I let go of any last remaining shred of hope I had for us to turn this ship around on several metrics (e.g. climate change). And unfortunately I think it has gotten even worse, e.g. with the (at least apparent) increase in anti-vaxxers.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Same. My city reopened in Mid-June 2020 and I remember going to the gym and seeing people pretending the virus was gone, no masks, distancing, or wiping down the equipment. People are disgusting.

So I still mask up and carry sanitizer.

[-] Wahots@pawb.social 2 points 1 month ago

I don't think they will. We as a species still suffer from diseases where shit comes into contact with our mouth. If we can't solve fecal-oral diseases, any bioweapon you deploy will infect your own population. It's why we terminated our bioweapons program. It's about as discerning as chemical warfare. :P

On a related note, I'd fucking love bidets with dryers to be mandatory at all farms, hospitals, food handling facilities, markets, and restaurants. It would minimize the impact of fecal-oral diseases, especially with improper handwashing and food handling (eg, not wearing gloves).

[-] valkyrieangela@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Iran isn't known for it's cybersecurity divisions. Right wing states generally aren't good with technology. So I'm not worried about a cyber attack.

In fact, it's tough to say what Iran's military capacity is at all. We pelt them with drone strikes and long range missiles constantly and they seem like they can do nothing about it. We keep talking about all this enriched uranium they possess, but do they even possess the capacity to deliver the payload to our domestic soil before we thwart them?

They'll likely go after Israel first, so we'll soon see the extent of their armaments.

[-] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Iran would not do that, but you raise an important point about how insanely vulnerable the US is to actual biological attacks.

Could you imagine the US government trying to get Americans to get an anthrax vaccine after a weapon attack?

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago

I really don't think Iran's leaders are that foolish, after what happened last time someone did that.

[-] match@pawb.social 3 points 1 month ago

The stronger-than-ever Taliban?

[-] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh yeah America really taught them a lesson by, checks notes, giving Taliban control of Afghanistan, after pouring millions of dollars and ending the lives of thousands of Afghani and Americans

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

And with how ICE is operating infiltration has become easier than ever.

[-] brown567@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

🎶 Everybody's going to the party, have a real good time

Dancing in the desert, blowing up the sunshine 🎶

[-] CorruptCheesecake@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR??

[-] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 5 points 1 month ago

The article provide zero proof of the claim in the title

[-] notastatist@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago

Its because its israeli News and it fits their propaganda.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 1 month ago

While I don't recommend believing them non-conditionally, Haaretz has generally been opposed to Netanyahu and hid actions, especially after he picked a fight with them earlier this year.

[-] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Even the Israeli left parties (and Ha’aretz is on the left) supports war on Iran even if they were less supportive of the genocide in Gaza. They still have a bias.

[-] Headofthebored@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Is Iran mad at me now? Bruh this is why I don't like leaving the house. /s But seriously something has got to give with this maniac regime we have here in the U.S., and I'm afraid we are the only ones who could realistically stand up and change anything. Nobody else is coming to save us.

[-] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

We are the only ones who could realistically stand up and change anything. Nobody else is coming to save us.

This is correct.

[-] xiwi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

The maniac regime has been a maniac for literal decades at this point. Please do something about it, OK? Xoxo

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

To the surprize of absolutely no one, maybe exept the US government.

[-] floo@retrolemmy.com 3 points 1 month ago
[-] considine@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Propaganda is when you punch someone in the face and then quote them saying "I'll kill you" instead of mentioning the face punch.

[-] altphoto@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago

We're like Pokémon! Everyone everywhere wants to catch us. At home they really want to send people to Guantanamo. Abroad they need to exchange us for people kidnapped in el Salvador.

[-] vga@sopuli.xyz -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's how they've viewed US citizens since about 1979. Trump is an asshole, but going after the Islamic Republic of Iran is not in the top 100 worst things he's done.

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