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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by Gemini24601@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

Bill Gates and Linus Torvalds have apparently never met in person before, despite their pseudo-rivalry.

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[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 81 points 1 month ago

Both Torvalds and Gates are nerds... Gates decided to monetize it and Torvalds decided to give it away.

But without Microsoft's "PC on every desktop" vision for the '90s, we may not have seen such an increased demand for server infrastructure which is all running the Linux kernel now.

Arguably Torvalds' strategy had a greater impact than Gates because now many of us carry his kernel in our pocket. But I think both needed each other to get where we are today.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

I've said this before here, but techy people vastly overestimate both the ability and the patience of the typical user, and it's the reason so few people use FOSS products.

Products from big tech aimed at private individuals are designed to be as simple to use as possible, which is why they're so popular.

[-] subignition@fedia.io 10 points 1 month ago

Big tech designing their products to be overly simple is one of the driving forces behind the average user having poor patience and aptitude for tech.

[-] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago

No, it's not. We have other shit to do and very limited quality time.

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[-] TheFonz@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Barf. Or maybe, just maybe, we have other shit to do rather than spend hours trying to figure out how to do one thing in Gimp. It's great that YOU'RE passionate about tech. Some of us have other hobbies. Imagine that holy shit

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 12 points 1 month ago

Buddy, if I open Photoshop it's gonna take me hours to learn how to do one thing too, what a horrible example lmao. There's like so many easy slam dunks you could've said too.

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[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

That really nails it, I think. Tech is a hobby for some, a means to an end for the vast majority.

[-] raltoid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, it's very obvious that some of the people responding here don't interact much with non-tech people, and they have DEFINITELY never worked IT.

Most people aren't interested in learning the more intricate things. And if you try to force them, they're not going to get more interested as they learn, because they literally are not interested in tech. They want to accomplish a task, if that takes a bunch of learning just for one thing, they'll go a different route, or pay someone else to do it for them.

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[-] subignition@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago

You should not expect to use a tool (edit: competently) without spending time learning how to use it. Photoshop has a learning curve too, even if it's an easier one.

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[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

Christ this is such a Lemmy take.

The other option is users just not using tech at all.

[-] raltoid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That has to be one of the most out of touch takes I've seen in a while. You're basically saying that things should be intentionally more complicated, and you expect the result to be people just power through and getting used to things being that way, instead of just stopping.

[-] subignition@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago

...No. I am saying that too much abstraction of how something actually works is detrimental to the end user. It's not about making things intentionally more complicated, it's about removing the need to understand key components of something ultimately causing more harm than good.

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[-] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 month ago

Nah, I have worked in IT education and in helpdesk. Average user doesn't have a better time getting into Microsoft products, it's not easier for them than FOSS. The reason for Windows domination is Microsoft spending money and lobbying power to put it in front of every user.

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[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago

What about the boat loads of marketing - ads - aimed at making you believe those proprietary programs are the best? Clearly you fell for it.

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But without Microsoft’s “PC on every desktop” vision for the '90s, we may not have seen such an increased demand for server infrastructure which is all running the Linux kernel now.

Debatable, in my opinion. There were lots of other companies trying to build personal computers back in those times (IBM being the most prominent). If Microsoft had never existed (or gone about things in a different way), things would have been different, no doubt, but they would still be very important and popular devices. The business-use aspect alone had a great draw and from there, I suspect that adoption at homes, schools, etc. would still follow in a very strong way.

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[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If it wasn't them, it would have been other people. Computer science doesn't rest on shoulder of a "Great Man"

What Torvalds did was inspire a like-minded community to come together and work toward a collective good. On a shoe-string budget they constantly threaten Gates' empire.

Gates on the other hand chose to enclose the intellectual commons of computer science and sell them at a profit. He extracted a heavy toll on all sectors of human activity. And what did this heavy burden buy us ? Really NOT MUCH ! It squelched out collaboration and turned programming greedy, it delivered poor bloated software that barely worked and then stagnated for 20 years. It created a farm stall for us to live in, their innovation today is only explained as a series of indignities we will have to live with, because of platform dynamics we really, literally cannot escape the black hole that is windows for they have captured the commons and have made themselves unavoidable, like the Troll asking his toll.

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[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 46 points 1 month ago

Top comment on that page is perfect:

One wrote their own operating system incorporating others ideas on operating systems, the other's mom bought theirs.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 16 points 1 month ago

Mommy was one of the higher ups at IBM. Gates got most of it just handed to him. They are not the same.

[-] fubarx@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

I know it's fun to bash on Gates, but it's also bullshit. Dave Cutler worked on at least two major operating systems. He's way up there in the Hall of Fame.

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[-] nialv7@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

Linus looks old now 😭

I guess that's how time works but still...

[-] toynbee@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

I said in another thread about this, he looks like an older Tom Scott.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 1 month ago
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[-] comador@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

Bill announces a collaboration between the two, starting with an open source implementation of BOB and Clippy AI for Linux....

[-] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

No major kernel decisions were made,” jokes Russinovich in a post on LinkedIn.

Man, wouldn't that be wild, though?

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[-] dil@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 month ago

In my head this means gamepass on linux

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[-] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Too bad Steve Wozniak wasn't there too lol

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I hate to sound preachy, but this is a good example of “rivals” peacefully meeting.

So many people I meet IRL seem conditioned to think this person they hate on the internet would be someone they’d shout at like they’re an axe murderer, in the middle of a murder. It’s the example they see. Death threats are, like, normal on Facebook or TV News or whatever they’re into, apparently.

Again at risk of reaching... this feels like positive masculinity to me.

And leaders acting like adults.

[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

So, which one of them heard boss music?

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

What if they both did

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[-] mintiefresh@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

This is like seeing a picture of Gandalf and Saruman together lmao

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[-] altphoto@lemmy.today 5 points 1 month ago

Someone might remember Bill 300 years from now as a bump on the road for Linux.

[-] mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Genuinely kind of surprised they only met now, one would have thought that in over 30 years they would have run into each other at some point at some conference or other.

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[-] Tronn4@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago
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