just double-checking - I can't sign this as an American, right? I'm like 99% sure that is the case, but if I can help this at all I would like to!
To sign an EU petition you have to be a citizen of a EU member state.
figured as much. thanks!
Unfortunately only British citizens have a right to sign this 🥲
The people behind it just the other day said it was not going to succeed at this point and that they’re going back to the drawing board.
Um, no. Ross Scott, the organizer of this whole thing, said that it will most likely fail. Meaning that there's still a chance of success, not that he's completely given up. The deadline for the European Citizens Initiative is 31st July, more than a month from now.
Also, fuck Pirate Software.
They’re not getting half a million signatures in less than a week a man. I want to see this succeed but we again, there’s clearly a need to move on to the next initiative/strategy.
I do think grant funding and support from a few big dogs would go a long way to create more pressure on companies to participate at least initially. I don’t know if there is enough political will anywhere to legislate this problem away.
If there is that will, then maybe it needs to start with one or two nations. The whole EU is a tall order
They’re not getting half a million signatures in less than a week a man.
31st July is not a less than a week from now, dude...
That makes a twofold deadline for the Stop Killing Games initiative. Or, at least, one headed up by Scott: The UK petition, which ends July 14, and the EU Citizens' Initiative, which ends July 3.
I’m only showing this because that’s what I was going off of. The petitions themselves have different dates. You are likely correct, but just felt it behooved me to at least show where I got those dates from
I think it’s also important to point out that the UK government has responded saying they are not amending anything so the number is irrelevant at least for that one.
That is false, PC Gamer screwed up. Here are both pages of the initiative itself:
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2024/000007
Deadlines are in the upper right. And as you can see, it does NOT say July 3rd.
I feel like I clearly laid this out. I added a bit right after commenting. You may have looked at my response within seconds and missed it.
I had some people who deal with eu council and work for them express their opinions on this petition and this petitions wording and goals are so shitty and ambiguous, even if it got the signatures it was never going to pass.
I don’t think it’s shitty or ambiguous, but I do think it has a lot of change.org energy where They think if they hit a magic number that the government is somehow going to have to respond in a meaningful way, rather than just message them saying it’s nice that there is interest in this initiative.
I am actually very passionate about game preservation, and I supported this initiative when it started because you never know, but it’s very clear that this is not a viable path. As evidenced by the UK government saying months ago that they are not going to be addressing this with legislation.
The main points my friends brought out is "How are the games not going to be killed? "Just like make them available" is not an answer. Are they companies now forced to run the games always for eternity on their servers or do expensive reworks that may not even be possible to make them singleplayer or are hosting game servers banned now???"
They do explain that these companies need to either open source/release a version of the servers folks can run for each other or at least create an offline mode. We see Ubisoft doing this currently with The Crew so there is definitely a path here, it’s just going to be a hell of a slog lol
That's why you see this post. As a last ditch effort to get the petitions over their threshold.
The organizers threw up their hands man lol and we aren't going to see half a million signatures before the deadline.
It sucks but if we want to see game preservation succeed we need a new path.
Wouldn't be the first petition to gain massive momentum before the finish line.
Man I love the optimism but it’s hours away and the organizers are doing interviews saying they’re done. It’s back to the drawing board.
Man I hate the pessimism. It's a month away and one organizer is saying he's done if this fails.
I thought i read it was less than 24hrs from the deadline. In that case sure spread away. Not feeling great about it but hey still a chance then. My bad
Edit: we’re both wrong. EU deadline is July 3rd, which is the main one. UK one is doing even worse, that has less than 3 weeks.
You switched the dates. EU deadline is july 31st, and got a massive influx of signatures over the last two days.
That makes a twofold deadline for the Stop Killing Games initiative. Or, at least, one headed up by Scott: The UK petition, which ends July 14, and the EU Citizens' Initiative, which ends July 3.
I’m only showing this because that’s what I was going off of. The petitions themselves have different dates. You are likely correct, but just felt it behooved me to at least show where I got those dates from
That is an unfortunate typo (3 vs 31). For reference, the official page of the EU initiative lists 31st july, the UK petition page lists 14th july.
Yes we sorted this out the other day. Have a good one!
Where? I haven't seen that.
Apparently some gamer streamer with a much bigger platform put out a bunch of videos criticizing the initiative and intentionally misrepresenting their goals.
He also refused to talk to the guy behind the initiative to get clarifications whilst still putting out more videos dunking on it. Most likely the critic got paid by the industry to muddle the waters and turn people against their own interests (as per usual).
Bro used to chant stuff like "DRM is bad for the consumer, and I won't stand for it!" But after hearing about the initiative it instantly becomes "cmon guys, let games die, its just how things work. Get with it. Cmon you guys." Such a little weezel.
For real. It’s not hard to understand at all and he’s clearly misunderstanding on purpose.
With DRM being so prevalent these days I’m worried we’ll just have decades worth of games we can’t play one day because publishers want us buying their new games and re-releases of old games.
I make a point of buying physical copies for console where possible and from GOG otherwise. Especially when I am likely to want to replay the game a few years later.
The streamer critic is a former Blizzard employee known as Pirate Software, who apparently is developing a live service game (citation needed)
I don't know about developing, but he's certainly involved in a live service-ish game called Rivals of Aether 2 as "Director of Strategy", whatever the hell that is. His name is listed in the game's credits (video). He comes up at around 01:57 mark. Really bums me out too, because I like that game :(
Yeah that’s the one. It’s sad that people take what guys like this say at face value. He’s obviously got ulterior motives (own live service game in the works and/or paid by industry) to oppose regulation that would only benefit game enthusiasts.
Been kinda disappointed with Pirate software recently. He positioned himself as super knowledgeable but then makes mistakes. Of course, everyone makes mistakes, but then he kinda just doubles down when he shouldn't sometimes.
My guess is that because he became quite popular quickly, he jumped into just pumping out content as fast as possible without giving himself time to properly research and investigate stuff.
Here’s a piece on it - https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/the-stop-killing-games-initiative-is-close-to-its-final-deadline-and-after-that-its-leader-is-understandably-done-either-the-frog-hops-out-of-the-pot-or-its-dead/
He’s basically saying they won’t make it.
Saw a post about it yesterday. Looking for it now
I'm interpreting this as tacit endorsement of arbitrary game removal.
I'm personally looking forward to seeing people whine about this is the future, losing bits and pieces of their library with no recourse.
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