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[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 69 points 2 weeks ago

As reiterated by the OP, the proposal is just a proposal and was proposed with heaps of lead time probably because they expected it to be controversial.

As also mentioned, heaps of volunteer time is spent maintaining the packages where most are barely used (even for gaming).

However, it does not seem like there is a viable alternative. Many comments say the suggested alternative, WINE's WoW64, does not work for all games.

I can see both sides here. Fedora maintainers says "this is so much work!" and (mostly) gamers saying "But older games will stop working!".

The response from the Bazzite guy does seem overblown to me. I would think the first step is to work out the impact, as I haven't seen anyone quantify what proportion of games are affected and if there are alternatives like emulation.

[-] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm wondering what the problem even is. I mean, can't you just put all the stuff relevant to 32 bit gaming into a 'retro-gaming' package and be like "there, now if you want updates, better find maintainers"?

If you have an old game, chances are you won't need many new features. Only problem could be other packages or the kernel becoming incompatible. I don't know how relevant that is in this instance.

[-] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

only problem could be other packages or the kernel becoming incompatible

Yea dependency management without updates is like 80% of the work that goes into package maintenance

[-] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 15 points 2 weeks ago

WINE’s WoW64, does not work for all games.

Ok but is that because of fundamental limitations, or just because of bugs?

One's easier to fix than the other.

[-] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

If it works like real WoW64, then 16 bit applications won't work ever but 32 bit applications that don't work will be because of fixable bugs.

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[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

Older games? What are you talking about? They say in that thread that Valve doesn’t release 64bit versions of Steam. That means any games through Steam using the official client would be unplayable.

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[-] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago

Dammit - found Bazzite one week ago and love it - now its embroiled in a controversy.

[-] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 weeks ago

Same here. Nobara was too glitchy so I switched to Bazzite and love it so far. Sigh.

[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If it helps at all some of the comments in the linked discussion mentions it's at minimum a year out

[-] Uniformly9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

Dw, this will pass - there is too much passion in the project, and too many with stakes in it too. If it is installed on so many people's systems, we will have many people eager to see this continue also.

[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Did he elaborate on why? Is it really that integral to have 32bit tools?

[-] 30p87@feddit.org 37 points 2 weeks ago

Afaik Steam still heavily relies on 32-Bit. And bazzite's only purpose is Steam.

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 20 points 2 weeks ago

The comments in the thread don't mention Steam itself, but it's that running all the 32 bit games will become a problem. Steam's flatpak packages the 32 bit packages so that can get around this change, but the flatpak is not official and does not support all features. Steam themselves only provide the RPM for Fedora.

[-] mr_MADAFAKA@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago

steam package from rpmfusion is not official

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 11 points 2 weeks ago

Ah you're right. It seems Steam only provides a *.deb as far as I can tell.

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[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Ah yeah. Would be unfortunate. Bazzite was the least amount of setup i've ever had to do with linux and is the only repo I could recommend to someone non-technical

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[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes, and from what I understood:

  • Steam is still 32bit. Two-thirds of Bazzite's user base use the OS on handhelds requiring Steam's gaming mode front-end. Installing Steam as a flatpak removes the ability to boot into gaming mode, and so alienating two-thirds of Bazzite's user base.
  • It will kill support for older games that are still 32bit. Wine's WoW64 isn't ready yet, and even so, building custom Proton for 32bit support (e.g. Including all the 32bit libraries inside of Proton itself) on top of the Proton provided by Valve is going to be very messy.
  • OBS requires 32bit packages to capture video data from 32bit games. If 32bit is no longer supported, this'll kill streamers playing older games (OBS is probably the most widely used software by streamers and game recorders).
  • It would kill VR on Bazzite, as VR still makes use of 32bit features (I'm not sure why or which ones, but that's what's said).
[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Oh wow, if steam is still 32 bit, forget the offshoots, fedora itself won't be worth using. I'm on fedora but if I can't run steam, then I'm finding a new distro.

On the flip side, what's the reason they want to drop 32-bit support, given steam depends on it, which they should understand means it's integral to the size of their current userbase?

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[-] mrcleanup@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

After Bazzite I went to Garuda, is also gaming focused and has a handy helper app that helps you install common software, run updates, and more.

If you need a new distro it's worth a look.

[-] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago

I went to Garuda

THERE'S DOZENS OF US, DOZENS!!

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[-] Mwa@thelemmy.club 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I go with CachyOs Ik ik the compiler optimizations only give a minor difference and maybe major in latency but am just comfy with it.
I just like how minimal is the distro

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[-] Mwa@thelemmy.club 12 points 2 weeks ago

Instead of shutting down why not choose another distro base

[-] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

Probably a lot of time and work to do so, they've spent a lot of time learning what tweaks Fedora needs.

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[-] lordnikon@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I would be shocked if Fedora went through with it. If anyone remembers canonical tried to do this with you one to some years ago. They backed down then after push back as well.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

You one to

What. The. Fuck.

[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 6 points 2 weeks ago

Speech to text is my guess. You one to = Ubuntu?

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[-] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago

For those that think the response is overblown, from the thread:

These images are intended to be a drop-in replacement for Steam Deck OS for handheld console-like gaming PCs like the Steam Deck (Lenovo Legion Go, ASUS ROG Ally, MSI Claw, and other hardware in the same space).

These are also to be used to create gaming theater PCs, for streamlined use on a living room television.

The issue with “just using Flatpak or a container” is that the gamescope compositor simply does not work in those situations, when paired with Steam’s Gaming Mode, as it has the same concerns as a desktop environment. There would simply be no way to serve Gaming Mode as an environment.

As such, moving to this would essentially force Bazzite, as a project, to abandon its primary reason for existing - alienating 2/3s of their userbase. The remaining 1/3s would be served a lesser experience for a variety of more paper cut reasons, and VR is already a complex topic which would get even worse.

It's a big deal because disallowing the native steam build would make it nearly impossible to run bazzite in a SteamOS-like experience (which accounts for 2/3s of bazzite's users)

[-] aim_at_me@lemmy.nz 7 points 2 weeks ago

Hear me out... But should we be asking why there are so many things, steam included, that are still on 32b libraries?

[-] Hawke@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I mean the answer is pretty easy: video games generally have a long shelf life and no maintenance at some point after they’re released.

[-] aim_at_me@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 weeks ago

That explains the games, but not the steam binary right? If the steam binary didn't break, and 32b games did, that'd be a lot less of an issue.

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[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

God fucking damnit, I finally find a Linux OS that gels with me and I find this shit....

[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Note that this is just a proposal that the Fedora community wants feedback on.

Even if it does go ahead, this is minimum 1 year away from happening.

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if this was meant as a "hurry up and move away from Steam still being a 32-bit app, Valve!" bit of brinkmanship.

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[-] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

PikaOS is Debian based, and they've built the deps they need for Steam in 32-bit, so it's not the end of the world AFAIK. GloriousEggroll seems to be part of it too, so if any refugees are looking for something not Fedora-based there you go. Although his efforts for now seem focused more on Nobara (which is Fedora-based) maybe this will cause some shake-ups there too. I can see Pika is already picking up speed from this though, the Discord is super active.

Even if Fedora doesn't ever drop support I think even considering the possibility is shaking people's confidence in using it as a base going forward, sort of like how Unity's quickly-walked-back disasters drove people irrevocably towards Godot and other engines. Arch and Arch-based distros are probably starting to look much more appealing too.

[-] Bieren@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

See. This is why I game only on Windows. There’s never any controversy or issues there. /s

I’ll see myself out now.

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