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[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 187 points 1 year ago

Internet was better when it was a bunch of forums and personal web pages

[-] kitonthenet@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago

We can get it back, and the antitrust trials are a big part of actually doing it

https://youtu.be/rimtaSgGz_4?si=fQc-lIFzT-0hoeNv

[-] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 68 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sure we can but will we? No.

Twitter has only lost ~10% of it's userbase after repeatedly abusing its own users. Reddit probably less. After everything we've learned about Meta, tens of millions of people signed up on day 1 to join their new service, Threads. Google Chrome still has like 80% market share.

Changing is honestly a trivial ask, but we won't, because no one cares.

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago

It's not that no one cares, per se. We just live in a society where the majority of working adults are fucking exhausted. They have bills to pay, uncertain job security, seemingly constant climate crises/natural disasters in many geolocations (e.g. Canada and US West Coast wildfires, earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.), hyper polarized partisanship in many countries (yeah, it isn't unique to the US), and on and on. That Google, Microsoft, or Amazon own the internet is such a low priority to the much more immediate, life threatening/living security concerns of the majority of people.

I care, but I also understand why many people do not.

[-] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 14 points 1 year ago

Man, I would love to run a Linux box and still be able to run the like 4 programs I use my computer for, but I don't have any interest in running an OS I have to build and make work. I got Redhat working once (feels like a million years ago) and I am just not that interested in my PC anymore. It's a tool. I want it to work without any fiddling on my part. It has exactly 5 programs it ever has to run. I touch it on the weekends. Windows it is.

This is me agreeing with you in every way.

[-] jana@leminal.space 18 points 1 year ago

Fwiw Linux is way easier today than it was a million years ago. Honestly I find it simpler to use than Windows.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

The internet was better when it was Usenet and Gopher.

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

The internet was better when it was a pair of tin cans and a string.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Oh sure, like that was an improvement over cave painting.

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[-] rwhitisissle@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Honestly, the internet was at its best when it was the fever dream of stoned, sexually frustrated grad students at Berkley. Infinite potential - it could've been anything. Could've. But wouldn't. The real thing, after it became fully saturated in everyday American life, was always going to be some mediocre, watered down corporate cesspool of lowest common denominator, hyper-sanitized garbage. Because that's what people like. They like safe, familiar, predictable, and uncomplicated. Well, most people.

[-] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 115 points 1 year ago

Yup. It definitely feels like over time the human element of the Internet has been replaced by a corporate one. The most blatant example I can think of is youtube. Nowadays it's so obvious rigged in the favour of already established media and a select few content creators.

Yeah I'm feeling less like a participant, and more like a consumer on the "greater internet" (five big), compared to the early days when corporate presence was minimal, and not remotely slick or subtle. It was like dorky and obvious, and didn't seem remotely like a threat.

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[-] RandomPancake@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I miss the day when you could search YouTube for something like "JFK skyclub" and actually get video of the Skyclub at JFK. Today you'll get 15-minute videos that are 90% a guy talking about his thoughts on JFK, or Skyclub, or airlines, or whatever. If you're really lucky, some of them may feature a few seconds of actual footage of Skyclub.

It's not just Skyclub or travel videos. If I search for "repair mr coffee" I want to see a howto, not someone's SEO-optimized long winded lecture about whatever coffeemakers they're selling.

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[-] spacecadet@lemm.ee 88 points 1 year ago

Worse than what? Paying Atlantic for a subscription?

[-] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 107 points 1 year ago

Whether we like the Atlantic or not, I feel like at some point if we want quality journalism we need to fund it.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

But do paywalls actually encourage people to pay? I would point out that NPR/PBS and The Guardian are at least partially funded by the people but still offer news for free and it seems to work.

[-] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

NPR is funded by underwriters, donors, government grants, and licensing their content to affiliate stations. It’s actually really interesting to see how they’ve cobbled it together. So yeah it’s free for you and me but a lot of money is actually flowing back and forth.

Point being there are a lot of ways to fund things!

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[-] sbg@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Fair point. I don't mean to suggest that authors don't deserve to be paid for their work. And while the article discusses Google and Amazon's attempts to manipulate online behavior to drive up their profits, I remember a time when paywalls were a rare exception rather than the rule while reading articles online.

[-] Copernican@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

That's because there was a time when everyone had print subscriptions that were healthy, and the internet just gave them extra money for ads. When you start losing subscribers because everyone is looking at your shit online for free, you learn you need to charge for it.

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[-] uis@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago
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[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 36 points 1 year ago

Simple, capitalism found a new promised land. The next space to fill up. And manifest destiny within.

Unfortunately but fortunately as well, it's an infinite space. Early money has built large infrastructure within it. It's been built over time and now is so massive it's hard to comprehend in the real world. It's nearly impossible to compete with them other than them tearing themselves down, but the space is still nearly infinitely large and competitors can still rise in the fringe and who knows after decades maybe rise to the same kinda massive company

So now we must limit the infinite. Cull all of it to the finite they can control. The virtual world is real, the metaverse is already upon us, and unfortunately it's already starting to look like the late capitalism asphalt shopping plazas.

So it's worse cause it's built for the investors and being limited for them too. It's why people beg for the next BIG thing, so that they can find new land or new ways to control this 4th space.

[-] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

so that they can find new land or new ways to control this 4th space. Pretty sure that Meta was meant to be the next big market space.

I think Zuckerberg was expecting all of us to sit in a chair with VR headsets on all day and buy buy buy.

I personally feel like it's a total invasion of my privacy because it learns "me" and then tries to influence my every move a lot more intimately than cookies in a browser does.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 13 points 1 year ago

100% absolute control over your life to sell you as much as possible.. And people consider that a utopia and not a problem

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[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

Yah don't see a small player coming around anytime soon. People don't realise how uterlu massive these tech companies are.

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[-] the_q@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Take me back to the days of FFVII's Aerith Theme midi playing in the background of someone's Geocities site dedicated to Chrono Trigger. The non-consumer driven Web...

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[-] FarceMultiplier@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago

Trust corporations to ruin something people enjoy.

Tell me no one actually needed to be told that. Please. For my sanity.

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[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Its time to 'AT&T' Alphabet/Google/YouTube.

[-] _Lost_@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Funny, but this isn't the best example. The Atlantic has been a subscription magazine for coming on 200 years now. It's also one of the few places you can get non click bait articles without ads.

[-] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago
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[-] ReCursing@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

I thought this was the joke

[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Good old atlantic coming to the correct conclusion for the wrong reasons.

[-] abs_solution@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 year ago

I believe what you meant to write is "The internet IS worse"

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 year ago

I would get off google if I were you

[-] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I strangely feel very conflicted over Google. I have a Pixel phone which supports the security hardened GrapheneOS.

Were it not for Google allowing their phones to be so easily rooted, I'd probably be with Apple, who have their own egregious privacy invading practices.

Google also left rss feeds available on Youtube, which essentially allowed me to easily move my subscriptions to my rss feeder instead of outright subscribing. Then, thanks to Invidious, I just use an extension to reroute any time I visit that channel/video.

Grant you, Google could easily remove these features that strangely enough allow for easy migration away from their platform, and I can definitely see a future where they do just that.

It just is such a strange thing for a company to have these built in aspects to their products that literally allow you to migrate away from their platform.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that this gives Google some sort of pass to do as they please. I haven't used Google search regularly in a very long time. I still use their email and calendar solely because my current job team uses it as one of their main scheduling tools, but would prefer if we used something like a NextCloud instance.

In short, I have done some things to get away from Google's suite of software and will continue to do so, but these strange loopholes, especially the interesting relationship Pixel/GrapheneOS has, make me wonder about how Google could still make certain products and remain a smaller, much more regulated, part of the Internet as a whole...

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[-] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Well... you gotta hand it to them, that's a succinct summary.

[-] Smk@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

Capitalism does not work well when companies are too big. No one can compete unless you are already very rich. That sucks.

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