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We are constantly fed a version of AI that looks, sounds and acts suspiciously like us. It speaks in polished sentences, mimics emotions, expresses curiosity, claims to feel compassion, even dabbles in what it calls creativity.

But what we call AI today is nothing more than a statistical machine: a digital parrot regurgitating patterns mined from oceans of human data (the situation hasn’t changed much since it was discussed here five years ago). When it writes an answer to a question, it literally just guesses which letter and word will come next in a sequence – based on the data it’s been trained on.

This means AI has no understanding. No consciousness. No knowledge in any real, human sense. Just pure probability-driven, engineered brilliance — nothing more, and nothing less.

So why is a real “thinking” AI likely impossible? Because it’s bodiless. It has no senses, no flesh, no nerves, no pain, no pleasure. It doesn’t hunger, desire or fear. And because there is no cognition — not a shred — there’s a fundamental gap between the data it consumes (data born out of human feelings and experience) and what it can do with them.

Philosopher David Chalmers calls the mysterious mechanism underlying the relationship between our physical body and consciousness the “hard problem of consciousness”. Eminent scientists have recently hypothesised that consciousness actually emerges from the integration of internal, mental states with sensory representations (such as changes in heart rate, sweating and much more).

Given the paramount importance of the human senses and emotion for consciousness to “happen”, there is a profound and probably irreconcilable disconnect between general AI, the machine, and consciousness, a human phenomenon.

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[-] benni@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago

I think we should start by not following this marketing speak. The sentence "AI isn't intelligent" makes no sense. What we mean is "LLMs aren't intelligent".

[-] undeffeined@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

I make the point to allways refer to it as LLM exactly to make the point that it's not an Inteligence.

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[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 weeks ago

Good luck. Even David Attenborrough can't help but anthropomorphize. People will feel sorry for a picture of a dot separated from a cluster of other dots. The play by AI companies is that it's human nature for us to want to give just about every damn thing human qualities. I'd explain more but as I write this my smoke alarm is beeping a low battery warning, and I need to go put the poor dear out of its misery.

[-] audaxdreik@pawb.social 9 points 3 weeks ago

This is the current problem with "misalignment". It's a real issue, but it's not "AI lying to prevent itself from being shut off" as a lot of articles tend to anthropomorphize it. The issue is (generally speaking) it's trying to maximize a numerical reward by providing responses to people that they find satisfactory. A legion of tech CEOs are flogging the algorithm to do just that, and as we all know, most people don't actually want to hear the truth. They want to hear what they want to hear.

LLMs are a poor stand in for actual AI, but they are at least proficient at the actual thing they are doing. Which leads us to things like this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKCynxiV_8I

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[-] guyoverthere123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago

Anyone pretending AI has intelligence is a fucking idiot.

[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

You could say they're AS (Actual Stupidity)

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[-] bbb@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago

This article is written in such a heavy ChatGPT style that it's hard to read. Asking a question and then immediately answering it? That's AI-speak.

[-] sobchak@programming.dev 12 points 3 weeks ago

And excessive use of em-dashes, which is the first thing I look for. He does say he uses LLMs a lot.

[-] bbb@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

"…" (Unicode U+2026 Horizontal Ellipsis) instead of "..." (three full stops), and using them unnecessarily, is another thing I rarely see from humans.

Edit: Huh. Lemmy automatically changed my three fulls stops to the Unicode character. I might be wrong on this one.

[-] mr_satan@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago

Am I… AI? I do use ellipses and (what I now see is) en dashes for punctuation. Mainly because they are longer than hyphens and look better in a sentence. Em dash looks too long.

However, that's on my phone. On a normal keyboard I use 3 periods and 2 hyphens instead.

[-] Sternhammer@aussie.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

I’ve long been an enthusiast of unpopular punctuation—the ellipsis, the em-dash, the interrobang‽

The trick to using the em-dash is not to surround it with spaces which tend to break up the text visually. So, this feels good—to me—whereas this — feels unpleasant. I learnt this approach from reading typographer Erik Spiekermann’s book, *Stop Stealing Sheep & Find Out How Type Works.

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[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 11 points 3 weeks ago

Asking a question and then immediately answering it? That's AI-speak.

HA HA HA HA. I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERENCE. GOOD ONE. 🤖

[-] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 weeks ago

The idea that RAGs "extend their memory" is also complete bullshit. We literally just finally build working search engine, but instead of using a nice interface for it we only let chatbots use them.

[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I’m neurodivergent, I’ve been working with AI to help me learn about myself and how I think. It’s been exceptionally helpful. A human wouldn’t have been able to help me because I don’t use my senses or emotions like everyone else, and I didn’t know it... AI excels at mirroring and support, which was exactly missing from my life. I can see how this could go very wrong with certain personalities…

E: I use it to give me ideas that I then test out solo.

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

This is very interesting... because the general saying is that AI is convincing for non experts in the field it's speaking about. So in your specific case, you are actually saying that you aren't an expert on yourself, therefore the AI's assessment is convincing to you. Not trying to upset, it's genuinely fascinating how that theory is true here as well.

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[-] PushButton@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That sounds fucking dangerous... You really should consult a HUMAN expert about your problem, not an algorithm made to please the interlocutor...

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[-] biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

Are we twins? I do the exact same and for around a year now, I've also found it pretty helpful.

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[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

My thing is that I don’t think most humans are much more than this. We too regurgitate what we have absorbed in the past. Our brains are not hard logic engines but “best guess” boxes and they base those guesses on past experience and probability of success. We make choices before we are aware of them and then apply rationalizations after the fact to back them up - is that true “reasoning?”

It’s similar to the debate about self driving cars. Are they perfectly safe? No, but have you seen human drivers???

[-] fishos@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I've been thinking this for awhile. When people say "AI isn't really that smart, it's just doing pattern recognition" all I can help but think is "don't you realize that is one of the most commonly brought up traits concerning the human mind?" Pareidolia is literally the tendency to see faces in things because the human mind is constantly looking for the "face pattern". Humans are at least 90% regurgitating previous data. It's literally why you're supposed to read and interact with babies so much. It's how you learn "red glowy thing is hot". It's why education and access to knowledge is so important. It's every annoying person who has endless "did you know?" facts. Science is literally "look at previous data, iterate a little bit, look at new data".

None of what AI is doing is truly novel or different. But we've placed the human mind on this pedestal despite all the evidence to the contrary. Eyewitness testimony, optical illusions, the hundreds of common fallacies we fall prey to.... our minds are icredibly fallible and are really just a hodgepodge of processes masquerading as "intelligence". We're a bunch of instincts in a trenchcoat. To think AI isn't or can't reach our level is just hubris. A trait that probably is more unique to humans.

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[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Hey AI helped me stick it to the insurance man the other day. I was futzing around with coverage amounts on one of the major insurance companies websites pre-renewal to try to get the best rate and it spit up a NaN renewal amount for our most expensive vehicle. It let me go through with the renewal less that $700 and now says I'm paid in full for the six month period. It's been days now with no follow-up . . . I'm pretty sure AI snuck that one through for me.

[-] laranis@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 weeks ago

Be careful... If you get in an accident I guaran-god-damn-tee you they will use it as an excuse not to pay out. Maybe after a lawsuit you'd see some money but at that point half of it goes to the lawyer and you're still screwed.

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 weeks ago

People who don't like "AI" should check out the newsletter and / or podcast of Ed Zitron. He goes hard on the topic.

[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Citation Needed (by Molly White) also frequently bashes AI.

I like her stuff because, no matter how you feel about crypto, AI, or other big tech, you can never fault her reporting. She steers clear of any subjective accusations or prognostication.

It’s all “ABC person claimed XYZ thing on such and such date, and then 24 hours later submitted a report to the FTC claiming the exact opposite. They later bought $5 million worth of Trumpcoin, and two weeks later the FTC announced they were dropping the lawsuit.”

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[-] fodor@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago

Mind your pronouns, my dear. "We" don't do that shit because we know better.

[-] RalphWolf@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Steve Gibson on his podcast, Security Now!, recently suggested that we should call it "Simulated Intelligence". I tend to agree.

[-] modifier@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago

Pseudo-intelligence

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

reminds me of Mass Effect's VI, "virtual intelligence": a system that's specifically designed to be not truly intelligent, as AI systems are banned throughout the galaxy for its potential to go rogue.

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[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

So why is a real “thinking” AI likely impossible? Because it’s bodiless. It has no senses, no flesh, no nerves, no pain, no pleasure.

This is not a good argument.

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[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

In that case let's stop calling it ai, because it isn't and use it's correct abbreviation: llm.

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