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[-] sexy_peach@feddit.org 72 points 1 month ago

You always have to leave the door open...

[-] HornedMeatBeast@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

I picked this up from my parents.

When I moved out, I lived with a flatmate for a few years and I left the washing machine door open after using it and my flatmate closed it.

I explained to her why I left it open and she just stared back at me. Not once had she ever thought of this and said it made so much sense. She is about 20 years my senior.

Certain habits seem to be so obvious, but unless handed down, someone may never even think of it.

Reminds me of that guy that never thought to let the shower water get warm before stepping in.

[-] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Huh... I have a top loader and grew up with one so it'd never occur to me this is needed, since with a top loader there's no reason to close it, it doesn't get in the way by being open

I'm glad I saw this thread, if I ever have a front loader now I'll know to leave it open :)

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If you ever need a new one, front loaders tend to fit more and I believe they're more efficient too. Plus if a top loader grenades itself, it might be a pain to get your laundry out if the drum doesn't move anymore. Front loaders are more expensive though.

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[-] Venus_Ziegenfalle@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As well as the latch where the detergent goes in. Otherwise it will get swampy in there. That part of the post kinda makes me wonder if maybe her mother just takes better care of hers.

[-] ratel@mander.xyz 4 points 1 month ago

I take the detergent tray out after every wash so it dries properly. Occasionally wipe the tray slot down if it needs it, and wash the tray. Seen a few horrible swamps in shared housing over college years.

[-] LBP321@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

The washer and dryer at my mom's are 30 years old. She's had repairmen laugh at her for having them, but they're much better made than anything new.

[-] sexy_peach@feddit.org 27 points 1 month ago

Newer machines are several times more water and energy efficient.

Still nice that they lasted long and were easier to repair.

[-] jmill@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 month ago

More water and energy efficient to run, yes. If you have to replace them every couple of years the resources used to make new ones need to be included too though, and that will have a big impact on the comparison. That said, I have had a modern front load pair for at least 5 years now, no issues.

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[-] ekky@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Efficiency does little for your wallet and the environment if you need to buy/produce a new machine every few years.

(Not to say that we shouldn't strive for efficiency.)

[-] frunch@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

That's the same way i look at it. How much energy is involved in building a new washing machine? How much energy is spent scrapping it? So much waste. I recently had a run of energy-efficient washing machines that all had the same problem with the main CPU board. In 2 weeks i had 4 instances all come out of the woodwork. Only 1 opted for the repair but it cost them almost as much as a new washer. The rest got scrapped. These washers were all about 2 years old when i witnessed this phenomenon (and I ran into yet another one just a couple weeks ago)... Other techs online are sharing similar reports.

Not only are they over-engineering the fuck out of these things for "energy efficiency" which i swear is just an umbrella they use to cover their real goals--to make appliances less user and tech friendly. They want their guys selling their overpriced junk and bespoke computers/sensors/gizmos so they can extract every last cent of value out of the product, then try to sell you another one every 3-5 years almost like leasing a car.

Still, that doesn't mean the tech used to extract greater efficiency is a bad idea -- it's all the approach they take to get there. They're making the cheapest tech possible while trying to sell it for the most $. These digital electronics they design to handle the various functions that give them such energy efficiency are often made with design flaws that aren't worked out before release and/or they're made with the absolute bottom-of-the-barrel components and/or manufacturing standards. If they wanted to make nearly-indestructible computers and sensors and transmissions and motors they absolutely could. They could even make them extremely energy efficient as well, but it's simply not gonna happen.

Energy efficiency is a valid goal, but if that's really what they're going for they need to make some major changes to the way they're approaching it. The engineers in these companies are too smart for this to be the best they can do.

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[-] Emi@ani.social 18 points 1 month ago

If repairman laugh at durable machinery they either just want your money or don't care about longevity. My father usually tells people to keep the old one if it's still working cuz the newer ones break down after a year or two and suck to repair (simple stuff just replaced with electronics that you have to replace whole for half the price of the whole machine).

[-] Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 month ago

(simple stuff just replaced with electronics that you have to replace whole for half the price of the whole machine).

Not to mention the waste it creates.. In theory it can be recycled. In practice electronic waste is not recycled at the level you'd expect...

[-] frunch@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

As a repair guy that gives a shit about his customers, i encourage folks to fix their older appliances when feasible. I prefer the older stuff and find them to be easier to diagnose and repair a lot of the time.

A couple years ago i had an elderly lady with a Kitchen Aid washer and dryer that were in pristine condition. Based on some lookups, i determined the units to be 37 years old. Until that day, neither unit had been serviced once. Dryer needed a new door switch, lol. To be fair though, i got another call on the dryer a couple years later and it had a bad motor. Almost 40 years with virtually trouble-free operation! They loved the unit and didn't want to deal with the flimsy bullshit on the market today so they opted to repair it. I overhauled the dryer in addition to replacing the motor and it's quiet as the day it was new. What a well-built machine!

Oldest dryer i still service has to be from the 60's or something -- one of those old Maytag dryers that just has the timer in the center of the control panel and you push the timer in to start it. I swear the motors on some of those old units may never die, lol.

[-] Thrife@feddit.org 16 points 1 month ago

Mine does pretty music when done!

[-] zout@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago

I have a video on my phone of a guy playing the tune on guitar to prank his wife/girlfriend!

[-] Damage@feddit.it 14 points 1 month ago

Buy European: Miele, Rex Electrolux, Beko (Turkish, don't get into that), Smeg, Candy, AEG, etc...

Don't want to jinx it, but my Electrolux washer-dryier is 7 years old and still like new, despite being relatively cheap and despite combined machines being more problematic.

[-] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Candy

Buy European and not cheap

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[-] MiDaBa@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

That's because Whirlpool bought up all of the competition. Whirlpool, Kenmore, Maytag, Amana, JenAir, Roper, Kitchenaid etc are all the same company and the competition they didn't buy has less incentive to produce much better units because now they have to compete with cheaper built machines.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

They didn't buy up Bosch (to my knowledge) but maybe they're not in the us?

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[-] nevetsg@aussie.zone 12 points 1 month ago

I had to buy 4 little plastic things for $15 every few years to keep my 25yo machine working. Last time I got like 50 of them for $25. I can keep her running for the rest of my life.

[-] robolemmy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Survivorship bias is a heck of a drug.

[-] frunch@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

There's no comparison between an old Maytag washer and dryer and a new/current Maytag washer and dryer. This is a case where survivorship bias does not apply, imo. Appliances were built more durable back in the day. There are plenty of older appliances working just fine today while some stuff under 5 years is already getting scrapped because it's too expensive to fix and/or parts aren't even available. It's total nonsense

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[-] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

This is some bullshit. You can go to Home Depot or Lowe's right now and get yourself a pretty decent washing machine for $600 that will last you a decade.

The only people who end up in the situation like OP are the people who buy overly cheap products or overly gimmicky products, and then wonder why they don't work as well as the standard products. If you buy a $150 washing machine from AliExpress or buy a washing machine that requires wifi, then don't be surprised if they stopped working not too long after you bought them.

[-] 1D10@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

This is my mother in law to a tee, she buys second hand washing machines on craigslist for $100 - 200 they last about a year and she buys a new one. Always complaining about "planned obsolescence". I keep telling her "no one is selling a good used washing machine, they had problems with it and got a new one" Meanwhile she criticizes me for spending $700 on a washing machine we have had for 10 years now.

She has a saying "poor people have poor ways" which she thinks means that when your poor you work with what you have, I have told her it is an insult that means poor people are poor because of their actions and decisions.

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[-] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

One of these days I hope to eventually own a home. When I do, I want to buy one of the industrial-ass washing machines and dryers they use in laundromat and hotels. I'm sure it will be very expensive, but I firmly believe in "buy once, cry once". I want a laundry machine that is built to run 24/7 for 10+ years. Used at a personal pace, it should last forever.

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[-] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 month ago

You know the funny thing?

You can still buy appliances that last and have good service.

But you don't earn enough to afford them, like your parents did.

[-] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

This is not the case. Washers used to be more expensive as a proportion of median income back then. According to this page a new Kenmore washer cost $289 in 1980. The median family income in 1980 was $21,023, so a new washer would cost 1.37% of a family's annual income. Compare to now, where the median household income is $83,150. As a proportion of median income, a $289 washer in 1980 would cost about $1500 today, which is about what a durable, well made washer with a 7 year warranty costs. Manufactured goods were largely more expensive compared to wages in the past.

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[-] Melonpoly@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Don't buy American washers, I think only speed queen still bothers with quality.

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[-] glimse@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

This is like that fridge post from yesterday..

The difference is that...cheap washing machines didn't exist. Good modern washing machines last a long time while not wasting money and electricity.

You can't compare the only available appliances of the 70s to the bottom-of-the-barrel now

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[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago

If it's a side-loading washer, you're not supposed to close the door all the way when it isn't in use. That's why it smelled.

[-] 1D10@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Pretty sure this is true for all modern washers, ours is top load and it says leave door open when not in use.

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[-] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

Don't forget the wifi not connecting or staying connected, keeping it from getting updates for reasons mortals aren't supposed to know.

[-] jqubed@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

Why should a washing machine need updates to begin with?

[-] cRazi_man@europe.pub 7 points 1 month ago

Always online model of laundry DRM. When the servers shut down then the washing machine stops working.

Also, washing machines tend to eat up one sock. Now there's going to be a micro transaction to get the sock back.

[-] Slotos@feddit.nl 5 points 1 month ago

So that manufacturers can patch up remote exploits, duh!

[-] sexy_peach@feddit.org 7 points 1 month ago

Why in God's name would you connect it to WiFi?

[-] bus_factor@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago
  • It can tell you it's done, so you notice the notification after a couple hours instead of finding musky clothes a day or two later
  • It can tell you it's time to do the self-cleaning cycle
  • If you're doing something unusual, like washing reusable diapers which need extra rinse cycles, you can upload a custom program for that to the washer
  • Even more unusual, someone had stacked units and was too short to reach the buttons on the washer, so they liked to start it via the app instead of getting a stool

Most of this can be achieved in other ways (like a smart plug measuring the current draw and a simple monthly reminder), but non-techies want turnkey solutions.

I can't see any reason to have WiFi on your dryer, though.

[-] limerod@reddthat.com 6 points 1 month ago

All the things that you mentioned are already possible and have been since a decade or before.

  • It can tell you it's done, so you notice the notification after a couple hours instead of finding musky clothes a day or two later

There's an estimate and a timer and the machine let's you know when its done. This is a 2014 model to say the age.

  • It can tell you it's time to do the self-cleaning cycle

This is also something that is already automated and the machine does itself and can do manually if you ask.

  • If you're doing something unusual, like washing reusable diapers which need extra rinse cycles, you can upload a custom program for that to the washer

You can add extra Rinse cycles for specific clothes and have custom programs too.

  • Even more unusual, someone had stacked units and was too short to reach the buttons on the washer, so they liked to start it via the app instead of getting a stool

The controls being an inconvenience I can give you that. But, barring that its not stone age you would think it to be.

Fully automatic machines without WiFi work fine and don't need any software updates to begin with.

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[-] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

I bought a new washing machine last year that has no WiFi, if you don't want to you don't have to buy shit like that

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[-] JamesTBagg@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

You can go buy those old washing machines. They're still out there. I got my washer and dryer used for 100 dollars each.

Nothing digital on them, all analog. Fixed a washer overflowing issue by replacing the $20 pressure level switch. Twice I've had to replace the heating element for the dryer, $20 bucks for those. Everything is replaceable with a flat head screwdriver and a youtube video.

Go buy those old washers and dryers.

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[-] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Your parents washing machine also cost more because it was made better. The best price I could find for a standard washing machine in 1980 was $289. To put that into perspective, according to CPI inflation that is the equivalent of about $1,100 today. As a proportion of median individual income, that's like $1,550 today. You can still buy a Speed Queen washer for consumers that costs $1,500 and will last a long time, but people largely don't because the shitty one costs less than half of that.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

This the argument I have with clients on a daily basis, in regards to all kinds of manufactured goods. People are astoundingly awful at understanding and visualizing inflation and the value of a dollar over time, even people who are specifically educated on this point and even work with it as part of their jobs. Everyone has some threshold beyond which they absolutely won't countenance paying more than $X for Y, but this is always arbitrary and whenever the course of events drives the median price of whatever-it-is past that line they lose their minds.

Durable goods manufacturing is a race to the bottom because it has to be in order to overcome everyone's moronic preconceptions about what a product "ought" to cost. This isn't just a capitalist greed thing, although it's certainly that, too -- corners have to be cut, panels have to be made thinner, it has to contain more plastic and less metal, because otherwise it'll never be cheap enough for 99% of the population to agree to buy it and even then they'll all still bitch about how shoddily made it is. Year over year every manufacturer has to figure out how to make it cheaper to slide under MSRP. The manufacturers who take the opposite strategy inevitably wind up as niche players, because as much as people spout that they'd happily pay more for a better built thing, the flat out truth is they're all full of shit and to the nearest decimal point, none of them actually will if given the opportunity.

[-] tempest@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

The problem is it is rarely an easy proposition to just "pay more and get a better product" especially when it comes to home appliances.

In most big box stores every option will be shit. Companies know that there are consumers at every price point and so they have a product for every price print.

The problem is the expensive isn't really better, it's the same fridge with the same compressor as a cheap one except it has a wifi dongle or a tablet in the door.

Of course there are the Vikings and Thermidors and whatever but those are Velben goods that priced so high that you could get 5 to 10 of the cheap options for the price of one.

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[-] duckCityComplex@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Similar story for clothes dryers:

My parents' dryer had 2 knobs for temperature and run time, and a start button. Ran forever and dried clothes.

My dryer has like a dozen programmed cycles that rely on a moisture sensor that doesn't work and leaves clothes damp unless you use the manual time & temp settings, which takes several capacitive button presses on a circuit board that is likely to die before any of the actual mechanical components of the dryer. Also for some reason it has Wi-Fi.

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[-] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Bet someone chimes in with "but the new one is better because it uses less energy". I'm too lazy to figure the math on that but I can't imagine that the 20% more energy usage of my old machine is greater than the energy cost of manufacturing, shipping, extra repairs (parts, transportation) that the new "better" machines need on 1yr to 18month cycle of fixing or outright replacing.

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