💯%. the US was heavily isolationist at the start of WWII, and pretty anti-Semitic. for example, the St. Louis, a boat full of Jewish refugees, was turned away from the US and Canada in 1939 - and turned back to Europe, with many Jews eventually imprisoned and murdered by the Nazis. there were also the blackshirts in the UK, who were pro-Nazi, and PM Chamberlain had a peace treaty drawn up with Hitler. and the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with the Soviets, of course.

so if the Nazis had been content to murder only German, Austrian and Czech Jews, they would have gotten away with it.

on the other hand, Nazi ideology (e.g. "lebensraum" and their belief in the destiny of the Aryan race to conquer the "inferior" races) drove them to war, to invade Poland and to break their pact with the Soviets. and they also spent tons of resources on the Holocaust, at the expense of their military.

so basically yeah, isolationist Nazis would have totally survived, but otoh Nazis aren't isolationists.

Trump keeps talking about annexing Canada though. Hitler didn’t need to invade Poland or any of the other nations he Blitzkrieged, but there it is.

He has fallen quiet about that though. I wonder if someone with an ounce of historical knowledge told him that if you’re going to fascist, don’t start wars at the same time.

Nazi Germany kinda had to start wars because their spending wasn't sustainable: they had significant yearly deficits and they were always looking for ways to push forward the day that Germany would become insolvent. They stole the assets of outgroups like the Jewish minority, financially raided the banks, had the treasury print money to pay of debts, implemented price and wage controls to stave off inflation because of printing too much money, ... None of it was sustainable in the long term. The longer term plan was to conquer other nations and plunder those.

And very unfortunate for the world today: the spending by usa republicans isn't sustainable either + the usa has a very big army. Some people would say that the usa republicans couldn't possibly be that stupid to rob or invade their peaceful trade partners, but ... a lot of republicans are pretty damn stupid and short sighted, including the president.

Whoa, I hope that catches on. Fr, that's spot on.

aged like milk

i see this posted a lot. so why don't you go do it yourself? i know why: because you KNOW that taking up arms and attacking ICE will make Trump send his army at you to kill you, and all this will accomplish is make you a martyr they can use in propaganda OR ignite a full on civil war. i am tired of seeing this post. stop encouraging people to do things that YOU YOURSELF find unreasonable to do. and if you find it reasonable, than put up and shut up and stop fucking posting about it to look cool. we'll see you on the news.

Apple pie isn't American, it's origin is in England and the European mainland afterwards.

School shootings are American and they can keep those.

When has America been on the 'right side of history'? It's been humanity's bully ever since WW2, and before that they murdered and displaced the locals. I see this as nothing more than an expression of the well known Anglo-Saxon (read: Germanic) MO/ideology. Idk what's up with them, honestly, but you can count on a majority of them to choose murder and pillage before morals, peace and self-restraint.

Yah but to be fair, MAGA isn’t helpful in this regard by being so much like the Nazis.

I find it really annoying how Americans are so ignorant of history that they literally cannot make any historical comparisons outside of Nazi Germany.

To be fair, all we should need to say is "It's kind of fucked up to do " and people should agree and it should stop. Instead, so much of the media and so many propagandized conservatives are just denying it all and making up excuses. Historically, Nazi's have been universally seen as unequivocally evil so it's the only comparison that we think might get through.

Now though... Musk can fucking salute Hitler twice in a row at the presidential inauguration and calling it out is contentious. We're frankly out of ideas.

ignorant, is understatement, i think some areas arnt even teaching history from ww2 and on

What are we supposed to do? Go there ourselves? I'm not trying to be a dick but what can normal people do to help?

Go fuck yourself I have been and will continue to do what little I can to fight this and I am not remotely complicit

Honestly, it started sooner I think, or more to the point, it's had this sort of tendency lurking in the background for it's whole history to lesser and greater extents, the last few decades until the current one just being something of a lower period that makes this stand out by contrast.

After all, these aren't exactly the first concentration camps built in or by the United States, the country has a history with forced labor and institutionalized racial supremacy so severe that the country literally split itself apart over it at one point, and it's founding and expansion to it's current borders involved the genocide of those already living on the land in question.

The silver lining to all this I guess, if you can call it that, is that this history and the fact we even had something of a relative lul in all this, implies that as bleak as things look, the racism, nativism, and disenfranchisement can be squashed down again, because it's been done here before.

O'bama

This is killing me lol

Ooh, but calling for violence is naughty and will get you banned blah blah blah.

Get your shit together, America.

At this point the left needs to take back the power of violence

They took a "Death by a thousand cuts" approach to fascism, and we're about 1200 cuts in.

We couldn't find any builders for the concentration camps as the builders are in concentration camps.

Everything is a grift with them, even genocide. They are probably embezzling most of the funds.

Speaking as an American, America half-asses everything.