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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 69 points 2 weeks ago

She said that there's been a 500 percent increase against ICE agents who are just "trying to do their jobs and remove public safety threats from... communities."

Exactly what the Nazis who ran extermination camps claimed.

[-] natecox@programming.dev 22 points 2 weeks ago

I loathe and despise using percentages like this.

500% sounds super scary, but is meaningless without providing the baseline. If there was only one instance before and now there’s 5 it isn’t a significant increase but 500% sure sounds scary.

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Worse still it's not even clear what is being discussed. It implied "violence" but that is a wide range from just pushing to serious shooting.

% can also be misleading when a scale is arbitrary. A temperature increase measured in Fahrenheit will be a rather different % when converted to Kelvin.

[-] Mamdani_Da_Savior@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Sadly I haven't heard of any ICE officers getting shot in the line of duty.

[-] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

ICE also keep getting caught on camera lying about being threatened before they start beating some innocent

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[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

It's so blatant as if theyre using an instruction manual or something 🤔

[-] Mamdani_Da_Savior@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Stephen Miller is basically a Nazi

[-] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

Stephen Miller is basically a Nazi

He's a fucking JEWISH Nazi - which is the worst kind of self loathing Nazi.

He'd be the first in the showers when the real Nazis come to town.

He's a pathetic loser.

[-] MrSelatcia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Stephen Miller is exactly a Nazi

[-] RobotZap10000@feddit.nl 7 points 2 weeks ago

"Just following orders..."

[-] griff@lemmings.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Unjust, following orders

[-] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

someone on bsky did the match and found out that 700% increase is still only like 70 incidents (i forget who it was that posted it)

[-] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly. Basically "wahhhh this is making it harder for the kidnappers to kidnap people!! stop using the app they're just trying to do their jobs pls feel sorry for them 😭 "

[-] Pendorilan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Well, when you kidnap people in the street assaults against you can happen.

[-] dataprolet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 20 points 2 weeks ago

Glad others have pointed this out. Their "reasons" for not supporting 70% of worldwide smartphones via Android seemed very suspect.

[-] gray@pawb.social 7 points 2 weeks ago

not defending the dev here, but iOS is the majority in the US, why would worldwide market share be relevant for a US app?

[-] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

Because visitors to the US don't tend to be from the US, that's only logical

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 points 2 weeks ago

Think about that for a second. Immigration and Customs Enforcement by definition involves at least one border and 2 countries. Even if they only went after American citizens (which they're trying to do), they'd be deporting you somewhere else.

As it is, I suspect a significant number of at-risk people in the US and their advocates use Android.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I think he thinks HE had to store the information, and if he isn't the one storing it, it's anonymous.

Except, on Android, you can also do it where only google stores the information and he doesn't have to store any. And there are no user name or passwords or accounts involved to listen to specific channels like he claims.

You can collect this information, and you'd be able to write a more custom push service, but it isn't needed at all, but Google and Apple will always know who is getting the messages.

[-] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Lol, called it.

Incompetence and false bravado is all but guaranteed with development teams. Especially when it's closed source, not audited, and has minimal room for feedback loops.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You don't even need to audit a closed source app to know that Apple knows which devices its sending pushes to. It works because they know.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

...iOS forces uses Apple services including getting apps through Apple...

Can't speak to the rest of the claims, but Android practically does too. If one has to sideload an app, you've lost 99% of users, if not more.

It makes me suspect they're not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.

Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2501/

[-] Zak@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It makes me suspect they’re not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.

The developers of GrapheneOS, an independent, security-oriented Android distribution are probably not only talking about stock OEM Android. What they're saying is true about stock OEM android though.

That's a separate issue from whether users are forced to get all their software from a specific source, which is also separate from whether users will actually use other sources when given the option.

On Android, developers can offer users a way to install an app that isn't easily traced to their identity and on iOS they can't. Furthermore, an Android app can be both on the Play store and available from other sources; there's no exclusivity.

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

We need a federated equivalent. Anything centralized can be stopped.

[-] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 10 points 2 weeks ago

At the very least I hope it's hosted by someone outside the US so it's out of reach to the authorities.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago

For all we know the app might just be a honeypot itself

[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

This is a genuine concern that we should recognize.

I'm about 99% confident it isn't, but considering it is the kind of caution we should all be exercising these days.

[-] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
  • Is it open source? (No)
  • Is it's publishing and build pipeline open? (No)
  • Can anyone audit it? (No)
  • Does the author make unreliable claims of privacy? (Yes)
  • Does the author detail how data privacy and security is implemented? (No)

It's probably not a honeypot. But it's also likely to be negligent enough in implementation that it might as well be.

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[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Federated application for a map with markers and notes?

It seems for me that this would be too narrow a purpose.

Maybe a general-purpose public notification map. With some functionality allowing to separate markers by their authors and by tags. Or it can be spammed with bogus markers. By tags - well, for it to be general-purpose. By authors - because moderation can't be left to instance admins.

And, of course, I'm personally for separation of moderation, instance ownership, identities and hosting, but my own toy attempt showed me that the logic of checking the chain of privilege delegation is kinda PITA. That is, separating identities from instances is not that hard. And communities. What's hard is the community owner delegating rights to other identities, and in general authorized actions. It's a task of determining which privileges does an identity currently possess, and how does it affect its own actions on the community, and in which order should those be processed ... Everything is harder than it seems. Sad.

So federation is fine LOL.

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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 weeks ago

Federation is an overly complicated solution it's not required. It also wouldn't actually help, they can still take it off the app store there'd be another one but they would just play whack-a-mole and you can achieve the same thing with open source.

The best bet would be to have the database hosted outside the US and just have apps that pull the data from an API. There's no need for the app itself to store the data in fact that's a really stupid way to do it. You could federate it if you wanted but honestly that's probably unnecessary

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"He's giving a message to criminals where our federal officers are," Bondi said. "...we are looking at it, we are looking at him, and he better watch out, because that's not a protected speech. That is threatening the lives of our law enforcement officers throughout this country."'

Actually, I believe it is protected speech. There are apps that let people know where speed traps are. You mean it's not constitutionally protected to say to someone "hey, did you see the cop down on the corner?" Ridiculous. Of course, what she means to say is that the constitution doesn't matter and laws are made up now, and they're just going to do whatever the fuck they want. They're just not quuuuuite ready to go through the trouble of literally setting the constitution on fire yet.

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[-] thedruid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Good. I hope they're terrified. The same as their victims

[-] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 weeks ago

Only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.

[-] Exeous@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 4 points 2 weeks ago

Send & Receive alerts about ICE raids and activity in your area. Stop ICE Alerts Network works with technology already built into your phone without the need to download an app.

This is the way.

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

You’ve still got to connect to their servers and they can monitor who connects to what.

I wouldn’t trust it without a non-US based VPN. We should assume anything in the US is compromised by the fed, and that they are watching.

[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

These dumb fuckers STILL haven’t figured out the Streisand effect.

[-] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

Who owns the app that gets the location data of every illegal immigrant? Maye they do know the Streisand effect.

[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

There are easier ways to get that data without having to trick people into downloading an app. Trump has palantir and Israel in his pocket. He already knows where they all are. The app just lets us all know where they are.

Trump doesn’t like playing a fair game because he can’t win those.

[-] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

~~Did anyone else notice that you couldn't use this on an Android device because it it may put the people who use it at risk?~~

~~For shame Android~~

Developer may not actually understand how phones work

https://lemmy.ml/comment/19647328

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

Clearly it's just safety minded individuals acquiring it. This app helps keep communities safe from unmarked armored vehicles filled with masked criminal cop impersonators.

[-] tfowinder@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Expected this after recent news articles criticizing it for hurting ICE officers.

[-] vollkorntomate@infosec.pub 2 points 2 weeks ago

Is it only available in the US App Store? I can imagine that some people who could make good use of it don’t have a US Apple ID.

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[-] OceanSoap@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, but I think it's also because Republicans are downloading it and using it to spread fake ice raid claims, to confuse. So, I don't think the numbers are necessarily because people hate ice or whatever.

Guess we'll see.

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