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[-] lupusblackfur@lemmy.world 76 points 2 weeks ago

"Because that would be totally devastating to our plans for Taiwan."

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[-] drdiddlybadger@pawb.social 34 points 2 weeks ago

That is a startlingly weak position for China to be in.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 weeks ago

Not really startling. No big player other than Russia has ever been on China's side RE Taiwan.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I feel like Russian support is pretty much a rounding error when it comes to Chinese power.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It still baffles me how people manage to justify China's position on Russia. Sure it's "geopolitics" but if you take a look at domestic propaganda in China itself it's certainly much more than that.

Check out videos of what Ukrainians deal with while living in China - its down right disgusting how brainwashed Chinese are equating Zelenskyy to the likes of Hitler in Ukrainian's faces and thsse are just normal people in apolitical contexts like nurses in hospitals. It's absolute insanity.

[-] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 14 points 2 weeks ago

That's just Chinese people in general on any subject. Anyone who's actually been to that country would notice pretty quickly that things are NOT OK. The Chinese population has never not known abuse and it shows.

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[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago

True, they can demand Haishenwai and Outer Manchuria all the way to and including lake Baikal to help russia keep what it has stolen from Ukraine. Or else...geh fuck yourselves.

[-] sujeito@kbin.earth 25 points 2 weeks ago

Implying that the US could be too focused on Russia right now to help Taiwan defend against a Chinese invasion sounds like wishful thinking considering how little they are doing to help Ukraine.

[-] BenjiRenji@feddit.org 5 points 2 weeks ago

Well, they need to help Israel fight a multi-front war and commit genocide at the same time. That's more than just walking and chewing gum at the same time.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If this is true, the EU better be figuring out how to change that price calculus for them. Which makes me doubt an open admission actually did happen, since China would understand the possibility for blowback.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I used to joke that China wants to trade Ukraine for Taiwan, now it is very clear: you shut up about helping/recognizing/arming Taiwan and we keep a leash on russia...until next time...

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[-] Binturong@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 weeks ago

Hey well maybe that would have been a good consideration to make before tying themselves to the outcome by tacitly (and directly) supporting Russia for profit in the first place. When your fortune is dependent on the eradication of millions of people, by choice, you deserve to lose, and can go kick rocks for all I care. Slava Ukraine.

[-] perestroika@slrpnk.net 13 points 2 weeks ago

As a side note: there is speculation that China may be approaching a change of leader due to Xi experiencing health issues (not a change of leadership in the wider sense - the collegial system of the CCP is considered to be functioning).

Thus, it may be impossible for the Chinese foreign minister to be fully confident of what China's policy will be in the future.

Obviously, China views it as unacceptable for Russia (its ally and soon enough, practically its vassal) to all-out lose. (The easiest way to not lose, of course, is not starting a war, but that train is long gone and behind the hills.)

Prolonging the war does not eliminate this risk well, however - exhaustion could spread in Russian society and morale could collapse despite the state spewing its propaganda, or the economy could collapse. So, simply propping up Russia by letting them buy the goods they shouldn't be getting is not a very elegant solution. Direct interference on behalf of Russia would lead to open hostility with the EU, which is currently ambivalent about China.

What remains is nudging Russia to negotiate. But Putin is hard-headed and only willing to negotiate Ukraine's surrender, on terms which Ukrainians will laugh out of the door.

As for the US being able to focus on China, well I guess they're a bit concerned about it, but given the mental and organizational capability of the current US leadership, I don't think Chinese analysts are particularly worried.

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Sure you can.

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

China has chosen to be the enemy the west and rules based order then.

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

tramp has chosen to be the enemy of the west and the rules based order, China's just been having a wonderful time flying under the cover of the daily orange meltdown since the clown show started.

PS: they don't even have to do anything, they just have to point at trump and say "democracy, you mean THAT?" And they'll be using it as evidence against the "chaos of democracy" worldwide.

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[-] DrFistington@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Ahh, so Trump gets his orders from the Chinoruskie empire...

[-] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

For now. Ideally they lose in a few years once China has a better position

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You can count on tramp and his fascist toadies to lose their proxy war with China without a fight by refusing to acknowledge it until no asian ally is willing to resist or share intel out of fear of getting betrayed, like the EU and Ukraine.

[-] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

5 eyes and 14 eyes are both falling apart

[-] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

any sociological doctorates in here? What does it say about the state of the ruZZian war, when chinas FM weighs in on their vision for the war?

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What Confucious say about rainchecks?

Short notice that kyivindependent.com is certainly not neutral on this.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Maybe they'll choose a wiser position, next time. Their finding out stage of the Fuck Around, Find Out cycle does not constitute an emergency or any impetus for action on the part of the West

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