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What changed? Skin color and America's strategic interest. (hexbear.net)

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[-] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What changed is that mayo Americans uncritically repeat whatever narrative is fed to them by CNN/NBC

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

woah woah woah, you're describing what hasn't changed astronaut-2 astronaut-1

[+] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

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[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago

thesis: the burger reich is white supremacist

antithesis: the burger reich is credulous media-believers with goldfish memory

synthesis: i believe that the burger reich is both white supremacist AND uncritical of media narratives

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

So much of the rhetoric is completely divorced from any material condition. It isn't as though lmayo picking Team Israel or Team Palestine have any skin in the game. They've just ingested a certain set of media images and narrative, then repeat them uncritically.

Nothing the folks online do has any IRL impact on the conflict (with the possible exception of some geriatric fucks in the US Senate who will inevitably green-light nuking Gaza to save Jerusalem). Its all just posturing and heckling and getting off on the news of the day.

Even if we are all just a bunch of freaky stupid fascists, who cares? We don't control anything happening on the other side of the planet. Never did.

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

Even if we are all just a bunch of freaky stupid fascists, who cares? We don't control anything happening on the other side of the planet. Never did.

Obviously the american proletariat is very far from the levers of power, but I would say the petit-bourgeoisie and the clergy and the police and the types of "proletarians" who work for companies like raytheon are all a bit closer to the levers of power than the average american proletarian, and what they think probably does have some kind of measurable impact on foreign policy. Though how much exactly I don't know.

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

the petit-bourgeoisie and the clergy and the police and the types of "proletarians" who work for companies like raytheon are all a bit closer to the levers of power than the average american proletarian

Collectively, perhaps. But its not like there's a body of Raytheon Engineer Priest-Cops with a single coherent policy. Everyone is fragmented and commodities and constantly in fear of being replaced.

If we had a functional AFL-CIO that was staunchly pro-Israel, you could pin some blame there. But we don't even have that

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

Collectively, perhaps. But its not like there's a body of Raytheon Engineer Priest-Cops with a single coherent policy.

reactionaries don't need to be coherent to be footsoldiers of fascism. The KKK, the black hundreds, the SA, the proud boys, etc. All these groups can seem incoherent at times, and are different from each other in a lot of ways, but they still ultimately serve reactionary ends. The same is true of the cops, the clergy, the troops, etc.

Everyone is fragmented and commodities and constantly in fear of being replaced.

that helps bolster reactionary ideology as well. It's why we have false consciousness everywhere.

[-] NailBunny@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago

Yeah, the average individual denouncing the actions of Hamas are reacting to headlines that describe them as terrorists and child murderers.

"They have a right to freedom, but they shouldn't be killing innocent people"

If MSM rightfully framed it as a rebellion against an ongoing effort to colonize and ethnically cleanse Palestine, then I highly doubt you'd hear quite this many people spouting totally uninformed drivel in support of Israel.

[-] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago

This has probably been said better by others, but if you understand the Ukraine Conflict as a continuation of the Donbass War, you'll see that Western support for Ukraine and Israel both stem from the same belief in the right to occupy and annex.