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The answer is 'never'. If these people were capable of self reflection then Trump wouldn't have a second term. That's not how cults of personality work.
Once he bites the big one, we'll start hearing horror stories from his flunkies that are no longer afraid to tell the truth, but it won't amount to anything at that point, as MAGA still won't believe any of it.
You just hope that all the self serving gremlins that gravitated towards Chief Cheeto spend the rest of their lives like adults that peaked in high school. Just trying to relive the glory days while slowly sliding into liver cirrhosis and amphetamine addiction while being ignored by their families
I hope not. That’s how we got here in the first place. I hope everyone is ashamed of themselves and their family members who participated.
I'm 100% sure that's true for some people, but I do not believe that you can put people into two buckets: Totally against Trump and totally for Trump. I am really disinterested in people that DO fall into either of those categories, as they are beyond reason.
However, I'm interested in anyone that falls outside those categories, as those are the people whose minds can be changed.
I think being totally against a convicted felon rapist who is actively dismantling the protections that have been in the Construction for centuries and constantly finding ways to line his pocket is totally within reason.
I do not believe that you can put people into two buckets: Totally against Trump and totally for Trump.
At this point you absolutely fucking can.
No, there are at least two other types:
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The uninformed. Keep in mind that the vast majority of people in the US are completely uninformed about any of this. I'll regularly see posts by people who I think of as more or less intelligent and aware of world events who will nonetheless be completely in the dark about what Trump is up to.
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The propagandized. There are a ton of people for whom the anti-Democrat propaganda has worked, and who will "hold their nose" and vote against the person they've been told is a baby-killer or whatever. They don't support Trump in everything he does, but they'd rather him than someone who wants to put political dissidents in a gulag. They don't see the irony now, because the propaganda doesn't tell them about CECOT.
I also am fully willing to believe that there are others who aren't against or for him, but they definitely aren't particularly loud.
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I have to really, really dig for this one, but Trump's attitude re: cannabis is that it should be up to the states to decide, and has also been quoted as supporting medical cannabis. I think overall, this is a good move, not as good as it being Federally legal would be, but a step in the right direction.
It's just the other 99.95% of the things that he does I don't agree with. :)
disinterested in people that DO fall into either of those categories
I am also disinterested in the entire human race.
Trump is a bold, unapologetic fascist. You need to accept this fact, or it will kill you. He will never take responsibility because that is not how fascism works.
...you think people totally against Trump need to be more open to changing their minds?
I don't see this happening, but let's say he reverses course and renounces all his past decisions, steps down and the USA enters a new golden age. Should we be totally against that too? For any given position, I try to keep in mind what would have to happen to make me reverse that decision. If the answer is "nothing", then I may be missing something, or maybe I am letting my personal prejudices get in the way of what could be a good outcome.
It's often confusing when someone we really dislike does something we agree with, but it is a thing that can and will happen from time to time.
I look at this similarly to how I view my atheism. If a God were to appear and demonstrate all kinds of supernatural activity and capability, I think I'd have to renounce my atheism. I don't think that's likely to happen, but if it did, I do have a condition where I would reverse my belief.
Same thing with being anti-Trump. I am for now, but there are certain unlikely conditions that would make me reconsider that, should they occur.
If a God were to appear and demonstrate all kinds of supernatural activity and capability, I think I'd have to renounce my atheism.
I would also renounce my atheism and become fully anti-theism.
The god is clearly not benevolent, not kind, not caring. The god can go fuck themselves.
Trumps track record over the past decades cannot be forgiven
Never. He's not capable. Even if it's forced on him, like it ought to be, he'd learn nothing and it would still be everyone but his fault. He's a geriatric toddler with brain damage.
There will never be real accountability in a two party system
It took around 15 years in the UK for blaming the previous government to finally stop working.
Jesus Christ. 15 years??
Yup. Wasn't even their fault. They somehow managed to blame the fallout from the US subprime mortgage crisis on them.
The most likely answer is it'll happen when he finally pisses off his own minions enough. He's more likely to die, before he'll see any kind of real punishment for anything.
Now that he's about to rob several millions of people of basic needs being met, maybe things will start moving
Lol
Donald Trump has not been held accountable by anyone since his father died. Even when he was convicted of felony paperwork violations, his punishment was to get elected President (again!).
He also raped someone and it was proven in a court of law.
Straight to the Oval Office!!!
The dude could literally have the hangman’s noose of judgement around his neck and still be ranting and blaming everyone but himself. He cannot operate any other way. It’s pathological.
Ten bucks he can’t even spell the word.
He'll die having gotten away with it. Death is a mercy for him at this point.
Individuals with Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) typically struggle significantly with taking genuine accountability for their actions and the impact they have on others.
many of the MAGA crowd attribute many of our current woes to the prior administration, like cost of living, inflation, unemployment rates, etc.
Funny, I always attributed it to the Reagan administration.
Trump and accountability mix together as well as oil and water.
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Never. That's the very obvious answer. Why are you even asking?
LOL! The guy said the trade deal that was made between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico (USMCA) was done by an idiot and had to be re-done.
That was HIS DEAL! HE WROTE IT!!!
Did he take accountability? Of course not!
have you seen any Trump fans start to come around at all?
I have, but it's not exactly common. And it doesn't always change their minds entirely.
When Americans take accountability.
He literally said "I think the good parts are the Trump economy, and the bad parts are the Biden economy." Even the interviewer said nothing about it. If he ever sees accountability, it'll be after a lot more suffering on our part.
Oh, there are two simple answers to this:
- He will NEVER accept accountability for his actions. If he feels like it, he'll eat a live baby on TV and walk away untroubled.
- He will be held accountable when (and ONLY when) the people hold him accountable.
He will never stop until he is in jail or dead. And the same is true for most of his sycophant followers.
He's a narcissist. He never accepts responsibility, and everyone around him is too well paid/scared/enthralled to hold him responsible. He inspires totally devotion in his followers. He's dodged multiple bullets. I can't see him coming unstuck now
Start walking west, when you reach the edge of the horizon, trump will take accountability.
When other countries start invading?
I hope that happens soon.
The blame needs to be placed squarely on capitalism and not a specific person. It's capitalism that's fucking us, government is the legislative arm of capitalism. Edit sp
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