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I realize there's no singular answer for this, but many of the MAGA crowd attribute many of our current woes to the prior administration, like cost of living, inflation, unemployment rates, etc.

I'd imagine that every day that passes and we get more and more distant from Biden's presidency, it gets a bit harder to blame him for every problem.

e.g. It'd be hard to blame many of the increased prices on electronics on him, since much of this has been driven by Trump's tariffs (but I bet someone will attempt to refute this!)

This is a long-winded way of me asking the community, have you seen any Trump fans start to come around at all? When do we start living in the conditions (good or bad) of Trump's America and stop laying blame on the last administration?

I'm interested to see what people of all persuasions feel about this.

For myself, I have seen some minor loss of enthusiasm among Trump followers, but I haven't seen anyone register as a Democrat yet :)

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[-] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

The answer is 'never'. If these people were capable of self reflection then Trump wouldn't have a second term. That's not how cults of personality work.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Once he bites the big one, we'll start hearing horror stories from his flunkies that are no longer afraid to tell the truth, but it won't amount to anything at that point, as MAGA still won't believe any of it.

[-] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

You just hope that all the self serving gremlins that gravitated towards Chief Cheeto spend the rest of their lives like adults that peaked in high school. Just trying to relive the glory days while slowly sliding into liver cirrhosis and amphetamine addiction while being ignored by their families

[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I hope not. That’s how we got here in the first place. I hope everyone is ashamed of themselves and their family members who participated.

[-] yarr@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago

I'm 100% sure that's true for some people, but I do not believe that you can put people into two buckets: Totally against Trump and totally for Trump. I am really disinterested in people that DO fall into either of those categories, as they are beyond reason.

However, I'm interested in anyone that falls outside those categories, as those are the people whose minds can be changed.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think being totally against a convicted felon rapist who is actively dismantling the protections that have been in the Construction for centuries and constantly finding ways to line his pocket is totally within reason.

[-] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I do not believe that you can put people into two buckets: Totally against Trump and totally for Trump.

At this point you absolutely fucking can.

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

No, there are at least two other types:

  • The uninformed. Keep in mind that the vast majority of people in the US are completely uninformed about any of this. I'll regularly see posts by people who I think of as more or less intelligent and aware of world events who will nonetheless be completely in the dark about what Trump is up to.

  • The propagandized. There are a ton of people for whom the anti-Democrat propaganda has worked, and who will "hold their nose" and vote against the person they've been told is a baby-killer or whatever. They don't support Trump in everything he does, but they'd rather him than someone who wants to put political dissidents in a gulag. They don't see the irony now, because the propaganda doesn't tell them about CECOT.

I also am fully willing to believe that there are others who aren't against or for him, but they definitely aren't particularly loud.

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[-] yarr@feddit.nl 0 points 1 week ago

I have to really, really dig for this one, but Trump's attitude re: cannabis is that it should be up to the states to decide, and has also been quoted as supporting medical cannabis. I think overall, this is a good move, not as good as it being Federally legal would be, but a step in the right direction.

It's just the other 99.95% of the things that he does I don't agree with. :)

[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

disinterested in people that DO fall into either of those categories

I am also disinterested in the entire human race.

[-] Rooskie91@discuss.online 2 points 1 week ago

Trump is a bold, unapologetic fascist. You need to accept this fact, or it will kill you. He will never take responsibility because that is not how fascism works.

[-] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

...you think people totally against Trump need to be more open to changing their minds?

[-] yarr@feddit.nl 0 points 1 week ago

I don't see this happening, but let's say he reverses course and renounces all his past decisions, steps down and the USA enters a new golden age. Should we be totally against that too? For any given position, I try to keep in mind what would have to happen to make me reverse that decision. If the answer is "nothing", then I may be missing something, or maybe I am letting my personal prejudices get in the way of what could be a good outcome.

It's often confusing when someone we really dislike does something we agree with, but it is a thing that can and will happen from time to time.

I look at this similarly to how I view my atheism. If a God were to appear and demonstrate all kinds of supernatural activity and capability, I think I'd have to renounce my atheism. I don't think that's likely to happen, but if it did, I do have a condition where I would reverse my belief.

Same thing with being anti-Trump. I am for now, but there are certain unlikely conditions that would make me reconsider that, should they occur.

[-] towerful@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

If a God were to appear and demonstrate all kinds of supernatural activity and capability, I think I'd have to renounce my atheism.

I would also renounce my atheism and become fully anti-theism.
The god is clearly not benevolent, not kind, not caring. The god can go fuck themselves.

Trumps track record over the past decades cannot be forgiven

[-] db2@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Never. He's not capable. Even if it's forced on him, like it ought to be, he'd learn nothing and it would still be everyone but his fault. He's a geriatric toddler with brain damage.

[-] OrkneyKomodo@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 week ago

It took around 15 years in the UK for blaming the previous government to finally stop working.

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[-] OrkneyKomodo@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 week ago

Yup. Wasn't even their fault. They somehow managed to blame the fallout from the US subprime mortgage crisis on them.

[-] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 10 points 1 week ago

There will never be real accountability in a two party system

[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

The most likely answer is it'll happen when he finally pisses off his own minions enough. He's more likely to die, before he'll see any kind of real punishment for anything.

Now that he's about to rob several millions of people of basic needs being met, maybe things will start moving

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Donald Trump has not been held accountable by anyone since his father died. Even when he was convicted of felony paperwork violations, his punishment was to get elected President (again!).

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

He also raped someone and it was proven in a court of law.

Straight to the Oval Office!!!

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago
[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

The dude could literally have the hangman’s noose of judgement around his neck and still be ranting and blaming everyone but himself. He cannot operate any other way. It’s pathological.

[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago
[-] fittedsyllabi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Ten bucks he can’t even spell the word.

[-] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Individuals with Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) typically struggle significantly with taking genuine accountability for their actions and the impact they have on others.

[-] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Trump and accountability mix together as well as oil and water.

[-] daggermoon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

pic somewhat related

[-] shaggyb@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

He'll die having gotten away with it. Death is a mercy for him at this point.

[-] LadyButterfly@reddthat.com 2 points 1 week ago

He's a narcissist. He never accepts responsibility, and everyone around him is too well paid/scared/enthralled to hold him responsible. He inspires totally devotion in his followers. He's dodged multiple bullets. I can't see him coming unstuck now

[-] cyborganism@piefed.ca 1 points 1 week ago

LOL! The guy said the trade deal that was made between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico (USMCA) was done by an idiot and had to be re-done.

That was HIS DEAL! HE WROTE IT!!!

Did he take accountability? Of course not!

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

have you seen any Trump fans start to come around at all?

I have, but it's not exactly common. And it doesn't always change their minds entirely.

[-] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

When Americans take accountability.

[-] TheRedSpade@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

He literally said "I think the good parts are the Trump economy, and the bad parts are the Biden economy." Even the interviewer said nothing about it. If he ever sees accountability, it'll be after a lot more suffering on our part.

[-] paequ2@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago

When other countries start invading?

[-] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

I hope that happens soon.

[-] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Oh, there are two simple answers to this:

  1. He will NEVER accept accountability for his actions. If he feels like it, he'll eat a live baby on TV and walk away untroubled.
  2. He will be held accountable when (and ONLY when) the people hold him accountable.

He will never stop until he is in jail or dead. And the same is true for most of his sycophant followers.

[-] oppy1984@lemdro.id 1 points 1 week ago

Start walking west, when you reach the edge of the horizon, trump will take accountability.

[-] daggermoon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

many of the MAGA crowd attribute many of our current woes to the prior administration, like cost of living, inflation, unemployment rates, etc.

Funny, I always attributed it to the Reagan administration.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The blame needs to be placed squarely on capitalism and not a specific person. It's capitalism that's fucking us, government is the legislative arm of capitalism. Edit sp

[-] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -2 points 1 week ago

It sounds like you just want to know at what arbitrary amount of time trump gets the blame for Biden’s failings, even though they are Biden’s failings.

There are some things that will always be the Biden admin’s fault, like the rampant inflation and price increases that lead to the current cost of living crisis. That inflation and those increases of prices across the board haven’t gone away, and likely never will. The only way they do is by absolutely massive deflation, or a depression in other words.

Something that cost $5 in 2021 should only cost $5.50 or so now if inflation didn’t go crazy, but instead it costs $8 because of the Biden admin. Trump can’t “fix” that. The only ways are a depression, which would be seen as a failure even though it’s what’s needed, or for real wages for every person in the country to skyrocket 30% more than inflation, without causing extreme inflation, which isn’t possible.

The tariffs are a risk, for sure - but the goal of them is to make things cheaper after a bit of short term pain as countries reduce their tariffs on US products to below where they were before to make the USA reduce their tariffs back to what they were, because the countries can’t survive without US exports. It’s a negotiating tactic, and it’s already worked with a lot of countries. The big one still in the air is China, but it’s showing good signs.

[-] yarr@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago

He seems to disagree that it can't be fixed:

“Starting on Day 1, we will end inflation and make America affordable again,” he said at a campaign event in August.

https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-inflation-economy-biden-rcna192015

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