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Calls for Canada to bar bands Kneecap, Bob Vylan over anti-Israel messages test limits of free expression (www.cbc.ca)

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The only ones willing to stand up. Real artists doing what artists should do. I've been listening to both these bands. I'd love to see a show in Canada.

Death to the IDF.

Edit: also to.let you know. Same day news...

https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/irish-showbiz/kneecap-cleared-police-drop-glastonbury-35579611

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[-] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 77 points 2 weeks ago

How DARE those Bands Spray BULLETS into Starving Children!

SORRY! I mean how DARE they say doing That is BAD!

[-] Drusas@fedia.io 35 points 2 weeks ago

I grew up having school assemblies about the Holocaust and wherein a Holocaust survivor would speak. I never could have foreseen this future. And so soon.

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[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The IDF is a legitimate military target. It's purpose is itself violence, so it's incredibly dumb people have a problem with (questionably literal) violence being suggested towards it.

If it was death to Isreal, they might have a point, although there as well it might mean the state and not the people in it; for example as part of a one-state solution. If it was death to Jews the reaction would be totally warranted and I'd hope Bob Vylan would be charged.

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[-] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

Death death to the idf

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 weeks ago

Netanyahu should be the one barred not these upstanding people.

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago

Chanting for the death of the Israel Defence Forces (IDF). Waving a Hezbollah flag at a concert. Cheering for Hamas. Calling on fans in the U.K. to "kill your local MP."

Then, video re-emerged from a 2023 concert, in London, England, when one member said, "The only good Tory is a dead Tory. Kill your local MP." The band apologized amid concert cancellations in Europe.

Another video appeared to show one of the band members shouting "up Hezbollah, up Hamas" at a 2024 concert in London while wearing a Hezbollah flag over his head. Both Hezbollah and Hamas are designated terror groups in Britain, as well in Canada.

Do you want to see how easy it is to be against Israels actions, support Palestinian freedom, and not support Terrorists while inciting violence?

The Likud party of Israel are war criminals. The soldiers in the IDF following Likuds orders are war criminals. Every Israelite attacking Palestinians is a war criminal. Every Israelite in support of this is supporting a genocide.

Every single one of them should be brought to swift justice. But it isn't everyone in Israel or the IDF, just like every Palestinian isn't Hamas.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 2 weeks ago

Do you want to see how easy it is to be against Israels actions, support Palestinian freedom, and not support Terrorists while inciting violence?

I mean, why would you not incite violence against violent genociders and occupiers? Also you meant Israelis. Israelites are the Biblical group.

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, why would you not incite violence against violent genociders and occupiers?

Because it isn’t everyone in Israel or the IDF, just like every Palestinian isn’t Hamas, as I stated above. Inciting violence leads to more innocent death, because everyone becomes a target.

There is a reason why anti Muslim and anti Jewish rhetoric is on the rise, and inciting violence against either group is the reason for that.

Also you meant Israelis. Israelites are the Biblical group.

No, I used Israelite specifically in this case to reference the fucked up rhetoric and mentality of Israeli's who believe they are Gods chosen people, have a right to every inch of land in the area, and getting that land by any means necessary is Gods will.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 2 weeks ago

Because it isn’t everyone in Israel or the IDF, just like every Palestinian isn’t Hamas,

What? What is the IDF doing other than oppressing Palestinians? That's literally their whole thing. Israel has sent hundreds of thousands of soldiers in Gaza whose whole purpose is to kill and displace Palestinians, not to mention their operations and enforcement of Apartheid in the West Bank. There is no way to be an innocent IDF soldier., because everything they do is evil.

Inciting violence leads to more innocent death, because everyone becomes a target.

Well there's nothing can Palestinians can do to stop Israel except violence.

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago

What? What is the IDF doing other than oppressing Palestinians? That’s literally their whole thing. Israel has sent hundreds of thousands of soldiers in Gaza whose whole purpose is to kill and displace Palestinians, not to mention their operations and enforcement of Apartheid in the West Bank. There is no way to be an innocent IDF soldier., because everything they do is evil.

I would highly recommend you look up what "Conscription" is, and the consequences of avoiding service.

Well there’s nothing can Palestinians can do to stop Israel except violence.

One can clearly see that violence is not benefiting Palestinians, Israelis, Iranians, Lebanese, Syrians, or any other people involved in this.

[-] small44@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

I would highly recommend you look up what "Conscription" is, and the consequences of avoiding service.

Jail vs being a war criminal that killed ton of Palestinians and that may end up with ptsd and committed suicide.

The best choice is so clear

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20250103-suicide-rate-in-israeli-army-hits-thirteen-year-high-amid-ongoing-war

One can clearly see that violence is not benefiting Palestinians, Israelis, Iranians, Lebanese, Syrians, or any other people involved in this.

Would you say the same thing about Ukrainians defending their lands?

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago

Jail vs being a war criminal that killed ton of Palestinians and that may end up with ptsd and committed suicide.

The best choice is so clear

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20250103-suicide-rate-in-israeli-army-hits-thirteen-year-high-amid-ongoing-war

I do not understand what point you are trying to make here.

Would you say the same thing about Ukrainians defending their lands?

Yes. One can clearly see that violence is not benefiting Ukrainians, Russians, North Koreans, or any other group involved in direct conflict.

[-] small44@piefed.social 0 points 2 weeks ago

I do not understand what point you are trying to make here. My point is jail is better than committing genocide or have really bad ptsd that you commit suicide. Regardless, once in gaza if a soldier who was forced to join the war want to kill a Palestinian, shouldn't the Palestinian have to right to kill before he get killed?

Yes. One can clearly see that violence is not benefiting Ukrainians, Russians, North Koreans, or any other group involved in direct conflict.

This is so naive. We all would like to see the occupier/invader/aggressor to stop violence and get held accountable but it was never the case in history , it's such an idealistic view. We know really well that Russians goal is to assimilate Ukrainians and for Israel to kick out Palestinians and take the land they believe was given to them by god.

Are you telling me Ukrainians and Palestinians should not resistance and kill invaders and wait for justice to come by itself and for Russians to stop the invasion, Israel yo stop occupation .

Would you like if you tell someone that a person is threatening to kill you and that person tell you if the person who threaten come to kill you , don't your violence to defend yourself and kill him as the last resort?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 2 weeks ago

I would highly recommend you look up what "Conscription" is, and the consequences of avoiding service.

I know what conscription is, but I also know what genocide is. Wehrmacht soldiers were conscripted; would you have discouraged violence against them too?

One can clearly see that violence is not benefiting Palestinians, Israelis, Iranians, Lebanese, Syrians, or any other people involved in this.

Tell that to Israel. When Israel is intent on using violence to murder and displace Palestinians, what do you want them to do?

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago

I have stated my point of view very clearly. If you are confused about my point of view I invite you to ask good faith questions, or refresh yourself by reading what I said again.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 2 weeks ago

You stated what you don't want people to do, but you haven't said anything about what Palestinians should do instead. Surely your answer isn't "nothing," is it?

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago

I invite you to ask good faith questions, or refresh yourself by reading what I said again.

[-] small44@piefed.social 0 points 2 weeks ago

Have good faith conversation and answer legitimate questions unless you want to look like an hypocrite Your choice

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago

Surely your answer isn’t “nothing,” is it?

This is not a good faith question.

[-] small44@piefed.social 0 points 2 weeks ago

Avoiding questions is bad faith

[-] small44@piefed.social 0 points 2 weeks ago

The Likud party of Israel are war criminals. The soldiers in the IDF following Likuds orders are war criminals. Every Israelite attacking Palestinians is a war criminal. Every Israelite in support of this is supporting a genocide.

and not support Terrorists while inciting violence?

Israel was always a terrorist state that was created by terrorists (The Haganah, the irgun, the lehi) based on an supremacist ideology saying any jews has eternal right to the land just become jews has a continuous presence in the area and that Palestinians are just arab invaders which is not true. Israel ideology never changed, every single goddamn prime minister of them are war criminals that oppressed, raped and killed Palestinians for 77 years .

Every single one of them should be brought to swift justice.

You know very well that bringing Israeli war criminals will never be put in jail. You know very well that occupation never ended with only with diplomacy, armed resistance was always part of the fight for justice.

IDF soldiers only dies in Gaza and the west bank where Palestinians has right to self defense. One idf soldiers dying in the genocidal war is "10" Palestinians saved. Who are you to tell people how to express Palestinians right to armed resistances

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 weeks ago

Hamas is not a resistance group.

[-] small44@piefed.social 0 points 2 weeks ago

Resistance and terrorism can overlap. If you fight an occupation force then you are doing resistance simple as that

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 2 weeks ago

Watch them be banned because it’s important we don’t upset the Israeli government feelings.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Anti war speech has to be free speech. Declaring Israel the most moral army in the world, with ambitions for most humanitarian concentration camp in the world as absolute immutable truth is not just fascism in of itself, it is genocidal hasbara given evidence of opposite.

Fascist media and political party unity on war, and which side of wars to support also affects online community moderation, some of which is paid by master empire to impose the fascist unity message.

Ukrainian or Zionist diaspora imposing fascist limitations on speech, because they are politically valuable single issue diasporas, simply invalidates democracy and freedom. Instead of submitting to what is primarily US empire driven censorship and oppression, it would be reasonable to criminalize/censor support for an empire's war/unjustifiable extortion against us, much less rethinking our programming for their propaganda.