man, they must be paying good for this propaganda
in other news, i finally got banned from that shithole, i guess i supported ukraine too much
I mean yeah, the fact that women and children die in war doesn't automatically make it a genocide.
Intensionally killing women and children, kidnapping children and destroying cultural sites for the express purpose of replacing the people and culture with your own? Yeah, that makes it a genocide, three times over.
And note how it the definition of genocide doesn't include or exclude any specific countries? Yeah that's on purpose
Don't forget the Russian politicians constantly stating that they seek to eliminate the entire idea of Ukrainian identity because they aren't appreciative enough of the motherland to deserve their own identity.
While the original definitions of genocide were explicitly based on what soviets did in Ukranie...
That's what I was thinking.
I'd also like to add it can be a "war crime" and a horrible monster thing being done and still not be a genocide.
To repeat "not a genocide" doesn't mean it's "fine and okay"
I'm just saying it's a very specific term.
If an army js purposefully killing children just to be mean and terrible... That's awful and should be punished ... But that's also not a genocide. It's a genocide if the goal and purpose is to eliminate the culture or people from existence.
A good example is the American slave trade. Obviously terrible and unforgivable but not a genocide. What we did to native Americans was a genocide.
I would argue about transatlantic slave trade though. Deaths of millions of people, immense suffering, destruction of societies and cultural erasure. There may have been some cultures that have simply gone extinct then due to people getting hunted for slave trade.
Fair point. I'll even offer you my main... Question... The slave owners did purposely erase culture and family bonds from the slaves in america.... But they weren't trying to erase their culture from Africa.
So at first I leen to not technically a genocide but the amounts of people and the purposefully planned way we specifically destroyed their past ... Is that genocide? It was purposely done and wide spread... Hundreds of thousands of people.. . But only erasing it from them not the world.... Is that genocide it was documented as essential for slavery, to break apart all culture and loyalty in slaves and erase their identity entirely.... In America... Not their home in Africa. It's why "African American" is a group but "African British " isn't. They purposely had their culture removed from them so their culture group is now basically former slaves.
Is that genocide? I'm not smart enough to say but I see enough to ask l.
I'd say that if one rounds up a village, drops the people on a ship and sends them off to other continent to have their liberty restricted, possibly also previously killing old and sick ones, who've no use for forced labor - that's definitely a genocide. Specific cultures were absolutely targeted too, because more advanced cultures with somewhat centralized authorities could actually fight back.
That's a fair and arguable point out were the cultures target with the intent... You know what I hate arguing this point. It's complicated. Don't make me argue slavery isn't genocide please.. I don't... Want to have to defend that argument....
Not because I feel Im wrong it's just not how I want to spend my day off
It's like explaining "the victim turned 18 at 12:04 so it's not technically pedophilie and depending on what you consider death to be it might not be necrophilia either"
I'm not saying I'm wrong I'm just saying I don't want to argue that technicality in my day off
Get back to work so you can keep the arguments coming.
Dollar tree ordered me to attend meeting to encourage my employees to sell more candy bars... Also they sent a 40 shelf shipment to replace my one missing shelf and told me to put the other 39 in the trash.
Let's go back to whatever crazy nonsense brought this off because it's less depressing than capitalism.
Imagine how ML would react if you used Davel’s sentence in the context of Gaza. They really have no consistency in their beliefs except being anti-west Campists.
(Obligatory fuck the Israeli State and Solidarity with Gazans)
I first thought this was about Gaza and was confused when I saw the comm
People seem to have forgotten (perhaps deliberately in the case of tankies) that when Russia first invaded Ukraine and still thought they would win in three days, they started digging mass graves. That Z symbol they carry on their tanks is a symbol of ethnic cleansing. They want to replace the Ukrainian people with Russians.
And that's not even mentioning the mass abduction, reeducation and forced assimilation of Ukrainian children.
which, lest anyone forget, is a crime against humanity
And an explicitly stated criteria for genocide.
That is literally the same exact fucking arguments Israel is using, and the US used during its middle-eastern wars.
Tankies and shifting framing, name a more iconic duo. Yeah, there's always collateral in war. What Russia is doing is deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure. The "genocide" in donbas that Russia was supposedly preventing had a total civilian death count of about 3,400 across ~8 years of conflict. The current war has led to nearly 33,000 confirmed civilian deaths so far, meaning that is the absolute floor and the real number is higher.
name a more iconic duo
Tankies, and actually just being Russian Trolls.
What is with these ML guys? Why do they gotta keep spreading horseshit?
Israel targeting civilians in Gaza = genocide
Russia targeting civilians in Ukraine = not genocide
Hmm…
And no mention of the rohingya because they don't really care about stopping genocide
Actually there is some truth to this statement.
Israel is committing genocide by killing civilians in Gaza on a scale that will destroy the people of Gaza if not stopped.
Moscow's army is killing Ukrainian civilians – but not on a scale that endangers the survival of the Ukrainian people. That's a war crime, not genocide.
Moscow does try to commit genocide on Ukraine, by denying Ukrainian identity, banning the language, destroying cultural heritage, appropriating culture and history, abducting children and forcing Ukrainians to become Russians – not only Rusyaniy (citizens of the Russian Federation), but Ruskiy (ethnic Russians).
Also Davel: even mentioning the semantics of genocide with reference to Gaza is genocide denial.
What's the thing with women and children not being related to war? I mean children, yeah, but women? Are we in 1800?
Women, even in developed countries, are still much less likely to be a part of military or paramilitary groups or engaged in hostilities during wartime. Essentially, if you kill 100 men, it's easier to claim "A lot of them were paramilitaries, honest!"; if you kill 100 women, that line becomes statistically unlikely; if you kill 100 women 20 times in a row, it begins to paint a very gruesome picture.
Maybe that’s why you don’t just go around starting wars for no reason.
"Oh, this is calamity! Calamity! Oh no, he's on the floor!"
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