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[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

lol, do it anyway. let's see russia hike its troops all the way to the southern tip of Africa. Putin can barely muster enough fighters and ammo for one war on his own border. let's see him try to fight another one half a planet away, lmao. it might as well be in space-- at least there are some russians there already! 🤣

[-] rustyfish@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

This. The big bad menace that could have invaded Europe any time in the last decades, stumbled in its own front yard and broke its teeth.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

lol, what an amusing metaphor. much better than the "drunk bear in a china shop" I was thinking of.

[-] anteaters@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

Maybe they'll bring along some of that grain that they don't want to allow through the Black Sea. Putin claimed with his big heart that Russia would not let Africa starve after all.

[-] nogooduser@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

They’d probably say that Ukraine and/or NATO is letting Africa starve somehow.

[-] anteaters@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Damn those NATO sissies and the Satan's homogays! They are just too powerful in Africa for mighty Russia and god's holy war.

[-] xuxebiko@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Russia could use its mercenaries aka PMC that is has scattred all over the African continent.

[-] Dreyns@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

That's true but if anything happen I think it would be akin to what israel did with former nazi, quick collect and extract.

[-] xuxebiko@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago
[-] Dreyns@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Apparently he's not going, who would have thought ! > ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[-] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The thing about mercenaries is that they will only fight so long as they're getting paid. Nobody wants rubles, so they would expect currency conversion, and this is while the Russian economy is in the toilet. Russia also has a bad history in terms of keeping their word even if you could trust that the country weren't in a spiral, so most PMCs aren't exactly gonna get excited for any deal that doesn't include payment upfront. If Putin is jailed, I think we're more likely to see a power vacuum in Moscow than people scrambling to free him and go to war against South Africa. Putin only has power so long as he is surrounded by protectors loyal to him. I'm not sure any of them are that loyal to him at this point. He's fucked the country with this invasion, and he's getting old, and the rumor is that he's very sick and possibly terminal, but that part could be propaganda designed to get loyalists to second guess their allegiance.

Although, to be fair, Russians haven't exactly made a lot of good decisions lately, so maybe there are enough ignorant dumbasses in the region to decide to go to war. Devout nationalists might continue to fight despite empty bellies, but they won't fight well.

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago
[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah but that's literally thousands of miles away. It would take Wagner weeks of driving from Sudan to get to South Africa, and then they would get blown to pieces.

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Not saying that isn't a fact, Africa is fuckin huge. Just saying they're a bit closer than Russia

[-] McBinary@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Leaving the country is probably a terminal mistake at this point.

[-] OMGparticles@partizle.com 20 points 1 year ago

Just call it a special military operation, nbd.

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

What does South Africa get out of him visiting? Disregarding the idea of peace talks.

[-] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They get money and Putin can pretent he still has influence around the world.

[-] ackzsel@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

Well, it's not pretending if you're actually influencing countries with money.

[-] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No offense, but South Africa? That's scaring no one

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[-] Selmafudd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Without looking I'd guess trade deals

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

North America and Europe stopped supporting African countries, they decided to turn to other rich countries instead.

[-] Imhotep@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I was just looking it up for South Africa

The EU is South Africa’s most important development partner. Its €281 million bilateral cooperation programme is reinforced by grants for thematic focal areas. Further, the European Investment Bank makes available €462 million in long-term loans.

source

(I don't know much about the subject, this is from a quick Google search)

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Did they do that for money or disagreements (e.g. treatment of LGBT people)?

[-] zephyrvs@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It's more like we made promises we didn't keep (like transferring financial aid, investments in infrastructure projects, etc) and instead Western countries still bleed part of Africa's economy dry and I can understand that they're fed up with it. I only hope that China and Russia won't just be a wolf in sheep's disguise, since they're also imperialist and it'd be naive to expect them to help Africa become a strong contender to their economies.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

New boss, same as the old boss.

African nations would be better off to continue pushing for an African Union and bring collective bargaining power when dealing with the new and old colonists.

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[-] WolfhoundRO@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Declaration of war on Russia? And who would intervene across so many kilometers? The Russian Fleet? Wagner?

[-] zephyrvs@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

As far as I know, the Kremlin stated that they never threatened South Africa with war in any way and they simply announced that Putin would participate remotely, so the question is moot.

[-] andallthat@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

is it just me or is this a diplomatic way to tell Putin to just stay in Russia without telling him "you're not invited any longer"? To me it sounds like "uuh.... man.... if you REALLY want to come you definitely won't be arrested here. Not by me, I mean. Oh, I got pressures, POWERFUL pressures and you ending up arrested or worse isn't off the table but hey... do come and visit anyway if you want. We're cool right?"

[-] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They pretty much begged him not to come before as they are obligated to arrest him themselves due to ICC arrest warrant.

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[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Let's just list the 4 things that wouldn't be a declaration of war against Russia.

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