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[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In a natural state life keep exist by eating himself. That said is been a while since our species have leaved behind the chains of survival and can allow herself the the luxury to chose what to eat and avoid animals able to feel pain and suffer....

...except, this is not completely true. The global population is estimated to be approximately 8.2 billion people. Approximately 24,657 people die from hunger every day. Converting pastures into cultivated fields might seems like a simple solution. However, this idea comes with significant problems like soil degradation (no more pastures poop), desertification caused by damage in the the water cycle (pastures break the soil), loss of biodiversity (lots of plants, insects, and animals lives in the grasslands and cultivation means pesticides). Also, agriculture requires huge investments in irrigation, fertilizers, and machinery that might not be available or sustainable or simply impossible in particular environments. So... hydroponics? Let me know when it start working on a large scale and variety.

[-] bacon_pdp@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

The problem is not production but distribution. The United States alone throws away enough food to feed every person on earth who starved to death. We could reduce farm production and still feed the world’s population (all the way up to 14 Billion) the problem is our Richest people can’t be satisfied.

[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Good point.

[-] balsoft@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In addition to what the other commenter already mentioned (we already have enough food): you need way more crops to feed animals that humans then eat, than you would to feed humans directly, for obvious reasons.

That means animal agriculture requires more more land, water, and energy, compared to growing plants, leading to all the problems you've mentioned. If we just stop animal agriculture right now, we would end up with a massive surplus of (plant-based) food for humans, and land useful for other things now that we don't have to feed and keep all the livestock. It would also be of help with the little predicament our species has found ourselves in, called "climate change" - animal agriculture directly contributes about 6% of weighted greenhouse gas emissions.

In some environments (where animals are still raised on pastures, e.g. due to terrain being unsuitable for fields) that may not be as straight-forward (but still doable and beneficial); we can tackle this later. Let's first shut down all the factory farms now. They are not only exceptionally inhumane and unethical, they are also just a drain on our resources.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yap yap yap. These words are informed by ignorance. You are motivated not by an intellectual drive to share what you know with others, but by your own emotional need to invent things that justify your cruelty and violence. But there is no justification.

[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Honestly i didn't invent shit. If you have counterpoints that's fine.

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