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Parents advised to be vigilant over summer holidays to risk of offenders using in-game live chats to target their children

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[-] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Bruh as someone who used to play a lot of video games this article is 15 years too late. I remember neo nazis attempting to recruit me as a teenager in the early 2010s and they were not subtle. This shit is why we're losing the war against fascism, the so-called "experts" don't even know where the war is being waged and don't even show up to the fight.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think i have seen articles like this also 15 years ago. I also remember tv "documentaries" about "killer games" in Germany from almost 20 years ago, where they tried to paint everyone playing FPS games as Nazis too. One argument was that there is call of duty mods that allow to show the original graphics, where WW2 Nazis have swastikas on their uniform, which have been censored in the German version.

Extremists trying to recruit teenagers has been an issue since forever. As the "space" where teenagers spend their time moved online, so did the recruiting efforts.

The problem is real, but it should not be tied to games, or to rock music or to sports or to any particular hobby. It is a problem encompassing all of society. Parents need to talk with their children and know what is going on in their lives.

[-] Ziggurat@jlai.lu 2 points 2 weeks ago

It's crazy how much right wing became able to influence kids, and making nazi cool again. Because of course if a teen worries that your parent may be evicted or a young adult can't find a job, it's the fault of immigrants and feminist, not at all because of capitalism

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

It helps that public education has been gutted, so they don't understand just how despicable they are for associating with Nazis.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The oligarchs who finance the content, media, news, and information the vast majority of workers consume — the people commanding the capital — do everything in their power to divert the workers attention away from the systemic issues.

"The entire government, regulatory, and political system has been corrupted by capital? It's clearly the immigrants and trans fault."

[-] PIchu0102@piefed.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Gamergate's effects are still echoing and doing damage today.

[-] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

So they all suck right? Genuinely, Nazis in every game are nonexistent around diamond. The best of them are hard stuck plats and those are rare.

[-] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 1 points 2 weeks ago

Not very sigma of those teens to follow trends like sheep.

[-] b_tr3e@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

It used to be pulp literature, cinema, comics, television, Rock'n'Roll and VHS that spoiled our young. Now it's video games.

[-] LoreSoong@startrek.website -1 points 2 weeks ago

Youre being cheeky right? Youre implying that the thing corrupting the youth is whatever that eras overly-righteous people dislike and is used to push some political adgenda. Because if so, solid bait 11/10 I was about to respond with "youre proving your own point" or something of that nature.

[-] b_tr3e@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

Congrats. You have won the Irony Detector 2025 Award which a lot better than the "100% Humour-Free Certificate

[-] LoreSoong@startrek.website 0 points 2 weeks ago

WOW Finally! An award always wanted one of these!

See how I make it obvious that im being sarcastic? Coulda done that the first time.

[-] b_tr3e@feddit.org 0 points 2 weeks ago

My deepest respect for your pointing out the funny within the irony until really wach and everyone can laugh about it. Nothing better than a well explained joke, However the explaining of a single joke when just performed exhaustingly and tediously enough by pedantic characters might become itself a new joke, a form of "metahumour".

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

You know guys, the issue here really is that while you can imagine a tone while reading, unless there's actually an objective indicator as to what it's supposed to be, there's going to be mismatches.

I don't think we give enough credence to the magic of language. We're looking at essentially a binary table of black and white, the white forming letters, those letters then forming words and those words eliciting specific thoughts. The fact that the tone isn't conveyed properly is a very minor thing. But we can't really imagine completely toneless speech, so sometimes neutral seems aggressive and sometimes sarcastic seems obtuse.

Which I grant I honestly took your comment as well for the first 3 seconds. You never know online. You just. Can't know. No matter how seemingly obvious it seems to be from context. Poe's law and all that

[-] b_tr3e@feddit.org 0 points 2 weeks ago

Heck, I sure was as ambiguous as the whole discussion is and always was. Claims of cinema, even theater (even drama in ancient Greece), VHS etc, were a danger to to the general public and specifically to the youth were absolutely real. They even had some point. It's just the fact that the same blame game has been played again and again with every new medium that emerged that has some intrinsic irony. Obviously communication channels can be used by miscreants to spread ugly stuff. Who might have thought? And still people are acting as if thit was new or unexpected. I didn't even have to point thar out, just the sheer mentioning of these undoubted historic facts did the job. Make your own conclusions from that, everyone, but don't be surprised or upset when the next big thing will be used to spoil the youth just again. Because it will happen. It never stopped happening.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

They even had some point.

I think history kinda shows us they did not in fact have any sort of a point besides being irate about new technology.

The point is text doesn't convey tone, or even necessarily have any, but texts is read as speech, and speech has a tone. A lot of the times our internal translators just pick the wrong one.

[-] b_tr3e@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

You don't realize my intention at all. I deliberately was as neutral as possible. Just one simple sentence. Facts. I am on no one's side, because there's no side in the more or less chronological ordered line of media being accused to spoil the youth, ruin society etc. The irony lies within. No need for intonation (and as a musician, I know a thing about tone and one more about each, rhythm and tempo). No need to take sides in the actual discussion, because it is the old discussion. Yes, there is irony and yes, I am completely serious. This sort of ambivalence is also what makes the arts what they are. Truth is there's practically no disambiguity in the real world, the duality we humans see everywhere is just how our minds simplify things, because evolutionarily most descisions are binary: flight or fight, left road or right one, answer or not, eat unknown berry or don't.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 week ago

I'm not on the popular parts of the internet often but when I do get a glimpse I'm shocked at how much extremist content is just out there completely in your face.

It didnt used to be like that 10 years ago. The algorithms are being gamed to push extreme right and extreme left content to young people. It doesnt strike me as organic. I dont think majority of the audience have an interest in these topics.

Ive heard people repeat a "meme" and I have to stop them and be like where did you hear that why are you saying that thats a meme used by white supremacists to dogwhistle about mass killing events.

The internet is fucking wild. It may be more censored than ever but the content on there is still crazier and more extreme than it ever was. People have learnt to avoid the censorship, dont swear, don't use slurs, dont post gore or nsfw content after that you can pretty much say whatever you want.

Yep an opinion isnt editable. What scares me is the misinformation, extremist groups churn it out at a frightening rate

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 week ago

What scares me is the organization of the extremist groups. It makes me feel like something has to be done to counter their influence. But I dont know what can be done because things are so cooked right now.

You can watch openly nazi pol boards where they sift through news stories and craft a narrative and then see the president of the US echoing it less than a week later. It used to take years for that stuff to filter out into the mainstream if it ever did. X is so bad for this stuff because news outlets treat it like a source of information so all you need is a bunch of fake accounts and you can make anything seem like news. Then news outlets report on it, then the next layer picks it up and echos it out to their audience and so on.

Yep it's terrifying, they're highly organised and sophisticated. There's just so many of them it's an impossible task

[-] LoreSoong@startrek.website 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I think we are giving them far too much credit. The article is written as if they are deliberately and systematically recruiting young teens. The reality is that these kids are looking for the unmodderated spaces where these sickos dwell. These kids arent stupid, they know that the content they see is filtered and when we dont talk to them about why and just tell them "because its bad" they go out and find the content themselves.

From that point its pretty much a flip of a coin. They are either disgusted at what they find or the look for more, THEN yes they will find the sick people and befriend them due to similar interests in gore, beheadings, r*pe, suicide etc. This sends them down the undesirable rabbit hole.

This is all because parents are too lazy or afraid to communicate with children and teens about these serious topics. But will instead allow them to reicieve moral guidence from a incel living in his mothers basement regularly masturbating to this foul content.

Ive litterally watched this happen and attempted to stop/ get these kids banned. But these teens genuinely think they know better and sometimes the mods themselves are sickos or children that think its okay to have shared spaces for people under and above 18. Minecraft(java), VR chat, Rust, any mmo, roblox, gmod, gta, tf2 im sure there are 1000s more. all games with minimal modderation. Kids and teens should just be banned from social media and social gaming. they only serve to harm themselves and the unmodderated safe spaces for adults to fuck around.

[-] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

Kids and teens should just be banned from social media and social gaming.

Disagree on the second part, more like limited, or better - separated. There's no harm in playing games with friends or strangers, as long as there's actual moderation or it's just a chill community.

I don't think it's the fault of those games themselves, but the trends in videogame development and support (extracting as much money as possible with little support). And also there's barely any enforcement when it comes to age ratings so it's a double whammy.

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