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[-] SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

This will hurt anyone and everyone in the process.

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 18 points 17 hours ago

Fucking hell, imagine being a "business owner" and not knowing where your supplies are comming from and what factors into thr price. They're not sending their best, that's for sure

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 19 hours ago

Josh Smith, of Montana, is a fucking moron who doesn't understand economics.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

Doesn't it apply to the vast majority of Trump voters?

[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 14 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Step 1: Rename Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America
Steps 2 through A Lot: Repeat step 1, renaming everything else America
Step ??: Now everything is "American" made, problem solved

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago

Dipshit conservatives voted for Americans to have an additional tax after spending their entire lives whining about taxes because a felon rapist pedo promised them other people in other parts of the world would be paying it instead of them.

Add it on to the pile of evidence that American conservatives are some of the dumbest humans to ever walk the face of this earth.

[-] socsa@piefed.social 29 points 22 hours ago

Honestly it's fucking insane that Republicans managed to convince voters that a regressive consumption tax is a better idea than just asking rich people to just send Uncle Sam an additional boat payment every year.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 16 points 19 hours ago

NuhUHHH he also promised to hurt The Right People™ and export them back to their home countries! Something that's totally condoned by international law, and they'll totally pay for that too!

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago

Surprise, the US is part of a complex global economy and can’t survive or compete on its own.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

This is, very much, actually a surprise to knuckledragging conservatives. Will they learn from this experience? Hell no.

[-] Xella@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

I wish I could laugh react on this.

[-] Juice@midwest.social 23 points 1 day ago

This is the point! They are crashing the economy on purpose to force an asset bubble onto China and the EU(Germany).

People keep saying we don't make things here so we can't support our own needs of consumption, but that's part of it. Technofeudalism is a goofy concept but it seems like the ruling class is all in on it. Whether its "possible" is dependent on how many people you are okay letting starve, and specifically who those people are. Crashing the economy, recessions is generally a good thing for the ruling class so they don't really care. And Trump gets to be king or some shit, as long as he does what is needed to maintain the rate of profit, which gutting social services and forcing people into unemployment, driving down wages, will certainly do.

Small business owners are some of the most ideologically backwards segment of our population despite being a major source of employment for the working class. They are constantly pressured by the conditions created by the "big fish," and like so many people in the middle class, are constantly in fear of losing their class position, their privilege, their standard of living.

Yoda actually gives a really good spiritual analysis of this: anger leads to fear, fear leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. If you replace his abstract concepts with concretions, and think of it in a class conscious way, the anger comes from the pressures people feel, the fear is the fear of their own and their families well being, the hate is the baggage of nationalism and class war such as racism, queerphobia, whatever scapegoat seems convincing enough to believe, and the suffering is what follows: lynching, war, unrest, starvation, apathy and alienation. The racism and queer phobia piece works really well, because it is the conclusion that we draw from basically everything that we incorrectly learned about how our system functions. If you hold strong to that logic, which small business owners follow in order to achieve profits and establish their quality of life, then racism, queer phobia, ableism, misogyny, etc are natural conclusions.

Wrt Yoda I've actually read lots of actual history and theory, I'm not trying to be ridiculous. But it keeps coming around in my mind, and its something that a lot of people are familiar with. I could recommend better books and shit, but this is just a post on Lemmy, lmk if you want recommendations though

[-] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 5 points 17 hours ago

I wish it was 4D chess but there is no coherent plan beyond personal enrichment.

[-] Juice@midwest.social 3 points 17 hours ago

Why can't it be both? You think these people don't get together and make plans? All these freaks are in signal chats together planning, scheming, etc., just like the rest of us but yeah they're doing it for personal enrichment. Trump isn't smart but he commands many very smart people who do the heavy intellectual lifting. When did it become so gauche to believe in actual conspiracies? These people conspire, they make plans, they try to carry them out. If they didn't then they wouldnt be where they are

A lot of what I'm talking about comes from my crude understanding of the stupidly named "Mara-Lago Accords". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_Accord

Its really hard to say whether they will be totally successful, but they have a lot of backing by the richest and most powerful people in the world. So we should be concerned imo

[-] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago

small business owners are potentially our country's most mentally ill population

[-] Juice@midwest.social 7 points 22 hours ago

Its not their fault really, but some are worse than others. It sucks many don't realize that the constant pressure they feel is a condition of capitalism which crushes small businesses and sweeps up all their dreams for a bargain any time there is a recession. Keeping the small business class neurotic and reactionary is a generational project; middle class neurosis is an objective condition, not an individual shortcoming

[-] twice_hatch@midwest.social 33 points 1 day ago

Lotta people didn't take high school economics apparently

[-] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

What economics class did you get? All I got was a bunch of pro-capitalist propoganda without any serious examination of economic theory.

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 day ago

I did last year, the teacher was a MAGA supporter and tought nothing about tariffs.

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[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

We learned what tariffs are in my middle school social studies class.

[-] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I think I remember hearing about tariffs in 3rd or 4th grade history and civics, like when they were talking about the causes of secession from Great Britain. This was in the 80s.

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[-] Machinist@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago

Most of the population in the US is about to recieve an object lesson in the global nature of modern manufacturing.

This goes well beyond where the raw materials for the final product are sourced from.

Machine components such as bearings. PPE and the polymer feedstock for ear plugs. Wire. The insulation for the wire. Semiconductors. Cutting tools. Etc.

There probably are domestic sources for a lot of these things, but that comes at a premium.

During COVID, I was biting my nails. I still wonder how close we came to global manufacturing collapse due to JIT failure.

If manufacturing collapses in the US, it will take decades to dig out of that hole. It could be something small like the lack of a plasticizer addtive. For the want of a nail and all that.

What's really scary, is that whether or not the tariffs go through, suppliers have already drastically reduced imports. They did it months ago when this bullshit started. It's just now starting to have an impact and will do so for months even if TACO bactracks today.

Commander Orangey McFucknutts may potentially crash manufacturing and the economy with it. It could be a Humpty Dumpty. I don't think most people understand how bad that would be. Starvation, widespread foreclosures and reposessions. Great Depression level stuff, but most of us aren't farmers anymore.

I wonder if this is why Epstein has suddenly, finally, become such a big deal. (Think about it, now it's news even though the facts being reported have been public knowledge for a decade.) It's the billionaire class warning him to knock this shit off.

Buckle up, it might get a little rough.

[-] RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

"It’s the billionaire class warning him to knock this shit off." I'm pretty sure the oligarchs threw their weight behind the fascist in the end was in hope of getting a 2007 style crash where they could buy up what little they do not already own for pennies on the dollar.

The fascist destroying worker rights (hell, anyone but CIS Het white men's rights) and setting up an army with no oversight was just gravy for them all.

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[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If manufacturing collapses in the US, it will take decades to dig out of that hole. It could be something small like the lack of a plasticizer addtive. For the want of a nail and all that.

I'm actually more concerned with this middle-case. Consider fire-retardant additives for injection-molded plastics becoming unavailable or too expensive to get. That's one of those things that requires someone to either ignore the law, or maybe politicians move the goalposts in order to save face; you wouldn't notice in the end product right away. Meanwhile, standards on consumer goods drop by just that much, and things are a little less safe. Only that times how ever many other little corner-cases like this fall by the wayside, for products in every industry (e.g. food).

[-] Machinist@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Whether or not he crashes the economy, I think it's almost a forgone conclusion that what you're describing happens.

They're already loosening standards/funding at the FDA, CDC, and FAA. I wouldn't be suprised if these wingnuts deregulated CFCs and asbestos. Whatever manufacturers ask for, they can probably get; especially if they can call it climate change hoax or nanny state BS.

It will result in so much death and suffering. Some of it will take decades to manifest like relaxing allowable carcinogens.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Yup.

Systems are fragile.

Ours is like a house of cards and we just let a felon rapist pedophile come in and knock it all over.

We'll be seeing the effects, large and small, for a long, long time.

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[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

Green Day has a very detailed thesis on why this is.

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[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 day ago

Why does it continue to be a surprise?

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

People talk about it being "difficult" to determine what's real and what's not on the internet... But more and more, it's become clear, that these people just purposely close themself off to reality completely. The real world does not penetrate unless something affects them directly. And even then, they will do everything they can to avoid facing the reality unless it's literally a brown person's fault.

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[-] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 186 points 1 day ago

The “fuck your feelings” crowd voted based on their feelings and ignored logic and thought their faith in blatant denial would pan out for them. Haha.

[-] Booboofinget@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

If I had a dollar for every crying MAGA FAFO out there, I'd probably be able to retire.

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[-] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago
[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I revel in MAGA small businesses going under.

As much suffering as possible because that's the only thing that'll get through to these losers.

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[-] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 43 points 1 day ago

Normally you'd start with a very small tariff and increase that on a regular schedule over a few years so businesses in the whole supply chain can anticipate and adjust in a reasonable stable environment.

It's the opposite of declaring liberation day and chickening out repeatedly. Of course, doing the opposite of good policy also has the opposite result. Businesses are leaving USA. It's easier to produce in another country in a stable environment and import the final product, and pay tariffs on it, only once.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

That last bit is what people don't understand.

If you're an auto manufacturer, and you are given the choice to pay 50%+ tarrifs on your raw materials before selling your car that now has to be much, much more expensive due to the tarrifs. Or you could build the car in Europe, pay none of those tarrifs on parts, and export it to the US where the buyers will pay a 15% tarrif after the recent deal with the EU.

So it's more profitable for the manufacturers and cheaper for the consumers to shut down US auto plants and move everything to Europe.

Art of the Deal.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago

The guy from SmarterEveryDay is making an American made bbq scrubber. And he tried to source everything from American companies only to find out the parts were only designed in the US but manufactured abroad. He basically had to make every part himself to be sure it’s completely made in America.

https://youtu.be/3ZTGwcHQfLY

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[-] IWW4@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

I have a hard time believing this. He really didn’t know where his suppliers were?

I have a hard time believing he never contacted them or had to return something.

[-] Mclemons@programming.dev 27 points 1 day ago

His supplier is probably an American company, he never bothered to ask where his supplier gets materials....

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Yeah. A lot of people think that giving money to an American-based supplier means that the supplies are sourced in the US.

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