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[-] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 12 points 1 week ago

“The writing staff were careful to refer to Fek'lhr as being the "guardian of Gre'thor" in order to be consistent with Kang's statement claiming that Klingons have no devil, in "Day of the Dove"

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

I was about to say, technically it was correct

[-] data1701d@startrek.website 6 points 1 week ago

Who the heck came up with “Fek’lhr”?! Like, it’s clearly it intended to be a Klingon word and not an Anglicization, but they failed miserably to actually follow the rules of the language.

  • “F” is not used for that sound in any major Klingon Romanization system (“f” corresponds to “ng” in xifan hol mapping); “v” is the closest thing.
  • “k” is also not used; that should be a “q”.
  • The apostrophe usually only comes after vowels, as it denotes a glottal stop.
  • “h” is not pronounced silently like it is here; it’s a weird consonant kind of like a soft g.

It’s so bad it looks like Okrand had to fix it in one of his Klingon audio tapes - the official Klingon word is “veqlargh”, leaving the TNG onscreen versiob as a very weird Anglicization with a pointless apostrophe.

[-] hopesdead@startrek.website 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Watch any series other than TNG with subtitles and you’ll see sometimes petaQ is given an Anglicized Earth spelling pethak (IIRC).

EDIT: Obviously not TOS.

[-] data1701d@startrek.website 2 points 1 week ago

I mean, that’s at least a grounded Anglicization that I could see someone in-universe coming up with. Pronunciation-wise, ”Fek’lhr” isn’t so bad either, but still incredibly stupid spelling-wise. Laugh

[-] jrs100000@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It would make sense that a figure like that could be an example of mythological syncretism. Fek'lhr could be a Klinoneesation of his real name.

[-] Windex007@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Klingon death lore isn't very consistent. In TNG they yell to warn the afterlife that a warrior is approaching... And then say the body is trash. Throw it out the airlock. All Frank Reynolds.

Then in DS9 Worf is standing some silent vigil over someone who died saying it's what Klingons do.

Then we have discovery where they build giant ass ships for the dead.

What am I missing

[-] milkisklim@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

That Klingon culture isn't a monolith over their entire history.

I don't see any inconsistency between the death yell and that the body is trash. The yell is to warm of the Warrior's spirit's assent to Grethor. The body no longer has the spirit and is just an empty meat shell.

Other Klingons may acknowledge that the body is empty, but still don't want the spirit of the dead to be dishonored by having its body eaten by slowly scavengers, something famously uncommon on starships. Just like how some humans believe in Sky Burials and others believe the body must go in a tomb the same day it died.

Or, my pet theory, Worf Lied to make Miles feel better about Enrique's death. It wouldn't be the first time he made up a "super serious" Klingon ritual to prove his point.

[-] Windex007@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Oh yeah, the yell+trash bit is internally consistent. Just the trash vs something worth guarding vs worth permanently enshrining.

But honestly that pet theory of yours is probably the simplest way to reconcile DS9. Then let discovery just have its Klingon reinvention and let it be it's own thing and baby, you got a stew goin'

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Worf said they killed them. They probably did.

[-] hopesdead@startrek.website 4 points 1 week ago

I thought that was the gods?

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Yes, one of which was the Devil.

[-] Penguin_1024@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 week ago

The forehead & brow ridges on the bottom character do resemble a modern Klingon.

[-] Davel23@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago
[-] OZFive@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

This was from ST; TNG Devil's Due S04 E13.

this post was submitted on 05 Aug 2025
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