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"Undemocratic" is such a milquetoast way of saying unhinged, blood-drenched gangsters for the ownership class
I can't decide which is more 
about the whole situation -- the US and 
patting themselves on the back for rescuing six imperialist spies, or that there's a Ben fucking Affleck movie about it.
Edit: Also, the source material for the fictional-but-not-really sci-fi movie that the CIA used as a cover story sounds problematic as all hell:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_Light
"What if turbo-orientalism... IN SPAAAAAAACE?"
"What if turbo-orientalism... IN SPAAAAAAACE?"
But Dune already exists.
Not only racist but derivative
I haven't watched the film, but what's reactionary about Dune anyway specifically?
It's not really. It has its tropes but it also sorta invented those tropes so it feels a bit unfair to call them "tropes."
I mean you kinda have the "white messiah" narrative but the books make it clear that it's not really a good thing and leads to a holy war that kills billions. I suppose if you are a reactionary that is fine but to other people it sounds like a horrorshow.
Not necessarily reactionary, but it does reproduce some stereotypes and tropes that are a staple of an orientalist point of view, exoticizing the totally-not-muslim culture, painting them as backwards and animal-like.
I like Dune, but it Herbert's white-dude understanding of other cultures shows a bit.
Hmm, ok...
Absolute idealist look on the politics and society, especially Heretics and Chapterhouse are horrible, taking straight potshots at socialism, despite socialism apparently not existing for at least 15 millenia anywhere. In earlier books at least Bene Gesserit had a cynical and duplicious but still materialist outlook. Last two are several steps down in quality all around, being constant stream of poor man zen conversations.
Though for a murican writer working in 60's-80's Herbert wasn't really chuddy.
Though for a murican writer working in 60's-80's Herbert wasn't really chuddy.
From what I heard, Herbert seems to be like a libertarian, although whether he was the bleeding heart time (a la Stranger in a Strange Land) or the fascist one (a la Starship Troopers), Idk...
I would said libertarian, main idea of all six books is "don't trust prophets, tyrants, governments etc.", but he sometimes stanned aristocracy in the greek meaning of the world*, in sense that he wrote that every single form of bureocracy (that is apparently every government) will deform into aristocracy so we could as well have good aristocracy like Leto I - although that might be ironic since after a second of applying historical materialism to Leto he seems like incredibly ambitious type who was just very good at PR.
He also liked weird system being caste system for the poors and feudalism plus capitalism for the rich. Plus some social darwinism here and there.
*Notably in 5 and especially 6 book which are clearly weakest and least consistent of the series, maybe because he was basically already dying writing them.
The CIAs motto should be "that was then, this is now"
and on the flip side, the liberal's motto is "your coup accusations have no smoking gun evidence. you're just going to have to wait for the CIA to declassify it in 60 years."
"Argo fuck yourselves!" hyuk hyuk hyuk
it's not even a joke, it's barely even a pun. Yet this movie won an oscar for best picture because it worshipped the CIA and framed Iranians as evil
I remember going to see it with an ex and we were the only people below the age of 60 in the audience.
As opposed to democratic coups?
CIA: "Listen here, libs, you know how tankies said things and you tied your brains into pretzels trying to deny that? New for you: they were correct again, we did all the shit they told you we did!"
Libs: "LALALALALA fuck tankies"
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