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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 284 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The pathological need to find something to use LLMs for is so bizzare.

It’s like the opposite of classic ML, relatively tiny special purpose models trained for something critical, out of desperation, because it just can’t be done well conventionally.

But this:

AI-enhanced tab groups. Powered by a local AI model, these groups identify related tabs and suggest names for them. There is even a "Suggest more tabs for group" button that users can click to get recommendations.

Take out the word AI.

Enhanced tab groups. Powered by a local algorithm, these groups identify related tabs and suggest names for them. There is even a "Suggest more tabs for group" button that users can click to get recommendations.

If this feature took, say, a gigabyte of RAM and a bunch of CPU, it would be laughed out. But somehow it ships because it has the word AI in it? That makes no sense.

I am a massive local LLM advocate. I like “generative” ML, within reason and ethics. But this is just stupid.

[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 116 points 1 week ago

When I'm browsing around with multiple tabs open, the last thing I want is something to start moving them around and messing my flow up. This is a solution looking for a problem.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yup

Auto naming functionality is neat in some cases, like the AI chat UI itself

  • It's convenient to have names when toggling between a few recent chats or searching through 10s or 100s of chats later on
  • I spawn new chats often and it's tedious to name them all
  • I don't have a strong preference for what the title is as long as it's clear what the chat was about

Tab groups don't hit those points at all

  • I'll have a handful of tab groups
  • I don't make them often
  • I have a strong preference for what it's called, and the AI will have trouble figuring out exactly what I'm using those sites for
[-] Godort@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The pathological need to find something to use LLMs for is so bizzare.

Venture capital dumped so much money into the tech without understanding the full scope of what it was capable of. Now they're so in so deep that they desperately NEED to find something profitable it can do, otherwise they'll lose the farm.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Firefox has little financial motivation for this, though?

Other than getting "AI" investor money, if that's the plan... But otherwise it just feels like they're following a meme.

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[-] Saleh@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago

I agree with you on almost everything.

It’s like the opposite of classic ML, relatively tiny special purpose models trained for something critical, out of desperation, because it just can’t be done well conventionally.

Here i disagree. ML is using high dimensional statistics. There exist many problems, which are by their nature problems of high dimensional statistics.

If you have for an example an engineering problem, it can make sense to use an ML approach, to find patterns in the relationship between input conditions and output results. Based on this patterns you have an idea, where you need to focus in the physical theory for understanding and optimizing it.

Another example for "generative AI" i have seen is creating models of hearts. So by feeding it the MRI scans of hundreds of real hearts, millions of models for probable heart shapes can be created and the interaction with medical equipment can be studied on them. This isn't a "desperate" approach. It is a smart approach.

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[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

even without AI, to me tab groups are already feature creep bloat in browsers. do people really put that much effort into organizing tabs?

[-] exu@feditown.com 15 points 1 week ago

I like the tab groups. I use them often at work to group an issue with related tabs and my attempts at solving it. Also makes it easier to pause work on one problem and work on something else because I have the tabs grouper and know exactly where to go back.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I like the tab groups.

And nobody should stop you installing an extension that provides tab groups. I agree with the other commentator that some features can be left to extensions and don't need to be part of the core web browser, though.

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[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 10 points 1 week ago

No, but I think the idea of a second layer of organization to tabs is a wonderful idea. Maybe not a gig of RAM to sort them, sure.

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[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 134 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
browser.ml.chat.enabled   false
[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago

about:config
in your address bar

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

You only disable the chat. Overall setting seems to be browser.ml.enable.

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[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 66 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Now, several users have taken to the Firefox subreddit to complain about high CPU usage when using the feature, as well as express their disappointment in Mozilla for adding AI to the browser.

I don't think it even downloads the model if you never enable or use it.

[-] ObviouslyNotBanana@piefed.world 67 points 1 week ago

I love that people get upset that their CPU is using its resources when they're using it.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Reminds me of how some people get upset when their OS uses up all their RAM, no matter how much they have. It's like they want their PC to be sluggish and unresponsive. Unused RAM is wasted RAM.

[-] Buckshot@programming.dev 9 points 1 week ago

Did a project several years where the customrr required that the server we delivered specifically for the project never use more than 50% CPU or RAM. No requirements about how fast it actually performs its intended function, just that it can only utilise half the available resources while doing it.

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[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"I've noticed that my CPU, GPU, and power usage goes up when I run games. Valve needs to fix this ASAP!"

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[-] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 53 points 1 week ago

Instead of capitalising on Google pissing off power users with its crusade against adblockers, why the hell is Mozilla fucking up so hard here? Seriously, which chain of command green lit all of this and didn't even think this would be remotely an issue?

[-] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 week ago

it might have been Laura Chambers, who is CEO since early 2024.

It has been less than a week since the new interim CEO took over the reigns from long-time Mozilla CEO Mitchell Baker. Today news broke that Mozilla is changing its product strategy going forward. The organization plans to focus on bringing "trustworthy AI into Firefox" and to scale back some of its other products and services.

Breaking: Mozilla changes strategy, focuses on Firefox and AI

She used to work for McKinsey according to her Wikipedia which explains a lot if you ask me.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Sadly this is nothing new for Mozilla. It's easier to count the decisions they've made that aren't terrible than the ones that are. Their history is a long series of fuckups occasionally punctuated by a decent decision.

[-] medem@lemmy.wtf 13 points 1 week ago

Because of this, I've always had 'mixed feelings' (to put it mildly) towards Mozilla, and sometimes I really struggle not to hate them. They're (yet) not Google or Microsoft and that's cool, but besides that, I also cannot think of more than a handful of good decisions against a ton of pretty awful ones, so right now I've settled for 'a necessary evil', which is pretty sad considering their potential.

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[-] regedit@lemmy.zip 42 points 1 week ago

First thing I did when some hey we added AI... was to right-click and disable it.

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[-] nothingcorporate@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago

Waterfox and/or Librewolf FTW

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

I just checked my Librewolf settings:

This stuff is ml chat is off by default.

[-] 58008@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

Literally no one on this green earth asked for this shit. In fact, we've been pretty direct about how much we don't want it.

It's exhausting.

[-] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

Mozilla has stopped working on developing and improving their products, and is now entirely focused on adding trendy terms and garbage, to feed money to their C*Os.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

They in the last year or so added built in vertical tabs , much better hardware support for decoding video on Linux, continue to support manifest v2 and high quality ad blocking. Have increased performance and memory usage.

In the last 7 years performance is night and day different as is multiple process performance and switched away from unmaintainable old broken addon system.

They also created one of the premiere programming languages which is making in roads in the Linux kernel.

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

All right, but apart from the vertical tabs, better video decoding, support for manifest v2, high quality adblocking, increased performance, and the useful programming language, what has Mozilla ever done for us?

[-] glog78@digitalcourage.social 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

@michaelmrose @swordgeek I 100% agree that Mozilla is important but it's also clear that currently their is not enough business to keep Mozilla going. I don't blame them for trying to make a Business , i blame them for not following their former values. You can make a business and still mostly follow values ( look for example to GOG ).
And what i don't like the most is the change from opt in to opt out. Every new feature most users don't want. You can argue that they know this and make it harder and harder to turn off those new "features" . The last time it was hidden in a sub menu in the settings ( switching off sending data to their ad service ) now it's hidden in about:config.
I guess next time you need 3rd party patches and compile the browser yourself to switch a "feature" off.

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Well, stupid people want it and they do use it when its shoved in their face. Like how samsung updated and BLATANTLY made their peice of shit AI button TAKE OVER THR POWER BUTTON so when you try to turn off your phone little old granny gets confused that an ai agent pops up and starts recording you. Absolutely infuriating and I wish torture on whoever implemented that shit.

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

Is that what the FUCK has been happening? I've been having tabs just BLOW Up in ram and CPU usage

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago

This doesn't trigger unless you enable and use it afaik

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

Same here .... all I do is read most of the time ... I'm only interested in reading about 2,000 words which shouldn't take any data .... yet Firefox will struggle under the weight of advertising, adblock, scripts, background links, preloading and all kinds of stupidity that I will not and refuse to use.

[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 27 points 1 week ago

Firefox really does seem to have lost the plot... they don't seem to go five minutes without slamming their dick in another drawer. It starts to look like they're in to it.

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[-] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 week ago

Mozilla does it again, adding useless crap.

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[-] paequ2@lemmy.today 23 points 1 week ago

Come to LibreWolf, the waters fine!

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Am a wolf (that uses LW), can confirm

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It really is! Just needs an Android fork and it'll be on all my devices.

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[-] Mika@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 week ago

TBH despite I don't like this specific idea, nor use Firefox directly, I do like the usage of local inference vs sending your data to thirdparty to do AI.

They just needed to do it OPT IN, not OPT OUT.

[-] funkyfarmington@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Hmm, I bet Librewolf doesn't have that...

[-] Pjonathan@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I was actually wondering why it felt like my Firefox was dying, possible could align with this.

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

Awful Idea? Anal Intrusion? Actually Irrelevant?Activating Idiocy? Adding Incompetence?

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago
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[-] comador@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

At least they offer a fix for it:

Head to about:config in a new tab, accept the risk warning, and use the search bar to find the controls.

To kill the AI chatbot feature, search for browser.ml.chat.enabled and set it to false.

To stop smart tab grouping, search for browser.tabs.groups.smart.enabled and set it to false.

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[-] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Which fork should I be using? I am already using IronFox on Android and I'm loving it. What about Linux? What's your favourite?

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