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[-] marcie@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

My phone uses like 30 on idle 🫠

[-] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

That is very impressive! Although to be honest I question the accuracy of all those estimated power draws. I would be interested to see an endurance test of your battery- assuming your battery capacity is accurate, your runtime on a full charge should line up with your power draw.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 50 points 1 day ago

Obligatory: "Use Debian instead of Ubuntu. It's basically Ubuntu without Snap."

[-] pupbiru@aussie.zone 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

it was always wild to me back in the day when so many container images were based on ubuntu… was like PLEASE debian is functionally identical here at like 1/10th the base container size!

[-] lightrush@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago

Mostly yes but there are functional differences in convenience. For example the standard upgrade process is completely manual. You have to disable third party repos. You have to change the repos. You have to check if you have space. You have to remove obsolete oackages. And more. On Ubuntu, the software update tool does all that, eliminating a lot of possibility for error. To an exoerienced user, the Debian process is fine. A novice would have plenty of opportunity for frustration and pain.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 4 points 1 day ago

What? Software Center is GNOME, not Ubuntu. Discover is KDE, not Ubuntu. Debian updates can be done the same way? I don't do any of the things you mention. Using SC or just apt upgrade works just fine.

[-] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

They're talking about a Debian 12 -> Debian 13 upgrade

On Debian, you get release notes on what commands to run.

Ubuntu has their own software update utility, separate from Software Center or Discover, that runs the commands for you

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 18 hours ago

Ahhh OK. I've always gone fresh for a full upgrade. But does apt dist-upgrade not work? That's what the docs say to do.

[-] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

You have to at least modify your sources.list.d manually first. For most people, updating sources.list.d and running full-upgrade will probably work fine...

The full instructions are

  1. run dist-upgrade
  2. remove back ports
  3. remove obsolete packages
  4. remove non-debian packages
  5. clean up old configuration files
  6. add non-free-firmware (this is a 12 -> 13 specific)
  7. remove proposed updates
  8. disable pinning
  9. update sources.list.d to point to the next release
  10. apt upgrade --without one wrongs
  11. apt full-upgrade

It takes like an hour? but it's still not "just press okay."

Ubuntu's has broken on some upgrades for friends and they had to do the whole Debian process manually, but it does try to automate the removals, disablements, and updating sources

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 points 8 hours ago

Ahh yea, thats not too great

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago

I prefer "ubuntu without the bullshit"

[-] deadcream@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago

It has much slower release cycle and ancient kernel. For people with new hardware it's not suitable.

[-] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

Unless you prototype in a cpu fab it does not matter, debian 13 came out last week and its kernel is not that old

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 3 points 1 day ago

This is why Backports exists. You can get any newer packages or kernels you need by enabling it.

And Ubuntu LTS doesn't go much farther ahead than base Debian.

[-] seralth@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

If you need to rely on back ports to have day to day function of HARDWARE. Then your OS is not suitable to your use case. Backport reliance should not be the norm for your avg user.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 0 points 18 hours ago

I disagree, since this is why Backports was made. That being said, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[-] dropped_packet@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

At that point why not just run a rolling release? Debians whole selling point is stability which backports kinda ruins.

[-] vandsjov@feddit.dk 2 points 18 hours ago

I would argue that backporting one package does not ruin everything. If you backport a lot of stuff, then I would agree that it changing distrio to something more up-to-date should be considered because of the increase of potential problems.

[-] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 0 points 18 hours ago

A great way to brick your system and enter the package versionning conflict hell

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[-] mitch@piefed.mitch.science 115 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Honestly it's a little staggering how much better web video got after the W3C got fed up with Flash and RealPlayer and finally implemented some more efficient video and native video player standards.

<video> was a revolution.

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

I remember, that was a dramatic change.

Also, most people now dont remember this, but YouTube was initially popular because their flash video player was efficient, worked acrossed many different system configurations and browsers and dynamically changed resolution to match your connection.

At that point you had some people with broadband connections and a lot more with dial-up. So often dial-up users would not be able to watch videos because they were only available in one resolution.

YT had 144p (or less!) videos ready for dial-up users and higher resolution videos for broadband users and it automatically picked the appropriate video for the client. This made it so most people (dial-up users) would look to YT first, because you knew that YT would have a video that you could actually watch.

Then Google bought them.

[-] mitch@piefed.mitch.science 19 points 1 day ago

YouTube blew up the year I went to college and got access to a T3 line. 🤤 My school had pretty robust security, but it was policy-based. Turns out, if you are on Linux and can't run the middleware, it would just go "oh you must be a printer, c'mon in!"

I crashed the entire network twice, so I fished a computer out of the trash in my parents' neighborhood, put Arch and rtorrrent on it, and would just pipe my traffic via SSH to that machine. :p

Ah, and the short era of iTunes music sharing... Good memories.

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Yeah, my high school had a computer lab donated by Cisco to teach their CCNA course. There were like 2 students taking the class and 25 PCs, so we setup one to run WinMX, Kazaa and eDonkey.

They all had CD-RW drives. We were minting music and movie CDs (divx encoded SD movies were under 650MB so they would fit on a CD), and selling them on campus for $3-5. You could get a 100 blank cd-rs for around $40, so it was very profitable.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 23 hours ago

I forget that people still had dial up in mid 2000s, I always associate it with the 90s

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[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 day ago

Your entire backlight is only 3w? I feel like my phone is over 3w.

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You can use the Wattz app to monitor current/power flowing into/out of the battery on some Android phones. Yes, 3 W is about the average in normal use. Unfortunately you cannot gauge the power consumption while charging unless you have a USB wattmeter too: the system only measures battery current because it's required for battery capacity/percentages.

[-] solrize@lemmy.ml 56 points 2 days ago

Is that good or bad? What cpu? How big is the screen? What encoding?

[-] lightrush@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's a Framework with 11th gen Intel i5. I've never seen it below 11W while doing this. I don't recall the exact number I got in Debian 12 but I think it was in the 11-13W range. The numbers were similar with Ubuntu LTS which I used till about a year ago. Now I see 9-10W. The screen is 3:2 13". Not sure about the enconding but I have GPU decoding working in Firefox.

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It's a youtube video so whatever youtube is these days. I tested with this M1 Macbook Pro and it was using about 7 watts so 3 watts more is pretty good for pretty much anything. I think my 12th Gen. laptop typically draws about 13-15 doing the same thing, but with a much dimmer screen.

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[-] serenissi@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

I've seen 10-12W easily on 4K for soc without av1. your soc (intel 11 gen) should support av1. try to play the video on mpv (with yt-dlp integration) with various hw acceleration options to see if it changes. probably your browser is software decoding.

for hardware decoding supported soc too I noticed 2-3W of extra power usage when playing youtube from website compared to mpv or freetube. the website seems doing inefficient js stuffs but I haven't profiled it.

[-] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 points 18 hours ago

Av1 will probably increase power usage. It's made to reduce data consumption

[-] serenissi@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

on mobile platforms nowadays power is more important than data. OTOH for servers bandwidth is more important.

[-] llii@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 2 days ago

Me with an older notebook that doesn't support av1 decoding: 😭

[-] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I wish there were more M.2 cards beyond just SSDs and wireless NICs. The idea of a small form factor PICe interface is underutilized and things like hardware codec accelerators can keep laptops with older processors usable with new standards for longer. It's sad how PCMCIA had an entire ecosystem of expansion cards yet we somehow decided that the much higher bandwidth M.2 is only for storage and networking. Hell, do what sound cards in the 90s/00s did and have M.2 SSDs specifically designed for upgrading older laptops that also have built in accelerators for the latest media standards. Hardware acceleration is energy efficient and can probably just be bundled into the flash controller like they're bundled into the processor, and unless you have a top of the line SSD you're probably not saturating the M.2 interface anyway.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

capitalism underutilizes tech and its sad. we could be in 2085 already if we didn't just waste time and materials on shit made to be thrown away in a few years.

[-] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

There's a browser extension called "Your Codecs." which can prevent YouTube from serving you AV1-encoded videos.

[-] lightrush@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 days ago

It fluctuated between 8.8W and 10.3W.

[-] Zykino@programming.dev 15 points 2 days ago

What command do you use to see the Watt used?

[-] ominousdiffusion@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago
[-] lefixxx@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago

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