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[-] Carvex@lemmy.world 70 points 2 days ago

And their only crime was reporting genocide while being born in the wrong location.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago

the greater crime is unknowingly committed by the people born elsewhere who won't take responsibility for enabling the perpetrators for these actions; but then again, the drop of rain doesn't feel responsible for the flood and the perpetrators have clearly mastered making floods happen.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

I'm sorry, so what you're saying is that civilian families living abroad somehow committed a worse crime than actual genocide because they didn't do anything about this?

You're funny.

I'd love to stop politicians from supporting Israel but short of committing bloody murder myself there aren't a lot of options.

[-] Signtist@bookwyr.me 3 points 2 days ago

Now you're getting it!

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago

you can't take the sugar out of the cake after it's already in the oven and the fault lies with the baker who keeps adding the sugar in the first place.

[-] hobovision@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Is it the drop of rain responsible for overtopping a levee that causes a flood, or is it the fault of those we entrusted with the responsibility to maintain the infrastructure that prevents floods? Those that told us they shared our values. Those that claimed they cared about the lives of the people living in the valley that was flooded.

[-] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago

You can spend hours upon hours dissecting the metaphor till you're bored, but let it be understood that the settler-colonialist project occupying Palestine is literally majority-European from Europe. The very same Europe that settled and colonized modern day Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the U.S. and so on.

With this in mind, Europe and other western nations and their citizens chiefly support their project, because the project is literally just every single one of these states in a trenchcoat.

If your only response to this fact is "Blame the government, not the people", then you need to understand that the government is not a faceless entity, but run by "people", with staunch support by people.

If your contribution to society and the contribution by your ilk from the Global North to society solely rests on parliamentarianism/electorialism, and you expect us from the Global South to "take it or leave it", then you'll have to excuse us for not taking y'all seriously.

Please consider for your own good to read more about the liberalism (not the Western definition of it) that plagues basically everyone, the Global South gets the heavier brunt end of it.

[-] hobovision@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah, I had a feeling I'd get this kind of response. It's the people's fault for not doing some undefined thing, liberals bad, just electoralism, etc.

Foreign policy is just so unimportant to the vast vast majority of people in the world, but I would guess this is especially the case in the modern west. It's hard enough to mobilize people against something that effects their daily lives.

This is why I specifically mentioned "those who claim to share our values". They constantly lie and obfuscate, bombarding the public through the media. Just listen to some episodes of Citations Needed to start to understand why I don't think blaming people barely scraping by is productive when they're under this propaganda firehose.

[-] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Yeah, I had a feeling I’d get this kind of response

What part of it is wrong or incorrect?

Foreign policy is just so unimportant to the vast vast majority of people in the world, but I would guess this is especially the case in the modern west. It’s hard enough to mobilize people against something that effects their daily lives.

Foreign policy is unimportant to the vast majority of people in the Western world, because it doesn't affect them at all so long as they the people of the Global North get their treats, in whichever way possible, even if it means subjugating the Global South to imperialism and modern-day colonialism. The Global South people are affected by foreign policy enacted by the West and cannot just choose to ignore it, in fact it is of utmost importance for the Global South to learn and understand the West's foreign policy and how it shapes their lives.... or takes it.

There is no universalizing into one "world" ideology to be had here, when it's a chiefly Western apathy is what I'm trying to get at.

If you had listened to Citations Needed or any left leaning podcast/media closely, you'd learn by now that the excuse "the candidate that I voted for lied to us, sorry bud it's the best I could do" is not tolerated or taken seriously for that matter. These contributions that amount to writing on a piece of paper are meaningless as they are teethless. It's just pure Great Man Theory'ing, a liberal ideology.

Liberalism is a death cult.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

the thing they need to do is literally defined in writing around 150 years ago and their a lack of interest in foreign policy along the propaganda firehose are manifestations of this mass refusal to accept the writing.

trying to nudge the system into the right direction is the same tactic that have failed the democrats. the individual responsibility to self educate isn't easy, but it's the last chance for us to break out of the trajectory that the same writing also predicted 150 years ago.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

all of the shades of grey help hide the darkest black and it's incumbent on each shade to stop the flood; the lightest shade need only to educate itself on the darker shades who have repeatedly caused/enabled floods and check the box on a piece of voting paper for the ones who have never caused a flood.

[-] hobovision@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

I never mentioned voting.

But do explain what a drop of water can do to stop a flood or how a spec of white paint can turn a can of black into the color you desire?

Would you like to try some new metaphors instead?

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

voting is only part of the answer and the easiest thing to do and the metaphors are fun.

[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Ok, but did they condom hummus?

Edit: Really? "Condom Hummus" needed a sarcasm tag?

this post was submitted on 13 Aug 2025
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