¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ average non-linux tech youtuber video. Something goes wrong on windows = user error, something goes bad on linux = OS fault

They also ran into the old dual-boot problem where Windows overwrites the Linux partition.

This one kinda makes me laugh tho. Other than work I don't know why people would put up with that level of bullshitery from an OS

I agree, if anyone did some surface level research they would quickly find out they should buy a second ssd if they want to dual boot Linux.

I think part of the issue is people don't remember all of the little tricks they've learned over the years getting windows to work for them. So when they find Linux and have to learn a whole bag of them it feels like it's not worth it compared to something that "just works" (in their mind anyway)

Duel booting definitely isn't a viable strategy for most people imho. The best situation would be seeing crappy everyday laptops sold in bestbuy or whatever with either windows or some gaming configured Linux. People shouldn't have to think about the OS as much as possible

Prebuilts and preconfigured systems are where most people live. It's also often where most gamers start before diving into something more sophisticated for the sake of things like performance

All I know is I finally migrated my gaming desktop to Linux 3 years ago as my last hold out system and the only windows machine I’ve had since 2009. I haven’t noticed anything in terms of reduction in performance. Not to mention the ease of use when compared to getting Debian running on my laptop in 2009.

But more importantly to me, when I click shutdown, my machine shuts down within 5 seconds. When I start up I’m not spammed a million times over with ads and bullshit. And when I update and reboot, my updates are done, no more update, reboot, update some more, reboot, etc.

Let’s say Linux performance is worse than windows (has not been my experience), I would take that and not have all the other bullshit.

I find it very interesting that as a windows user, for years learning the OS was this collaborative effort for me and the community at large. Wed google everything, find obscure forums with equally obscure sollutions, and then eventually youtube tutorials. It was always a community educatiing themselves further in infinite directions.

Why does it seem like people dont want this with linux? I get that it might be too slow for some people and they just need something to "work". I see so many people on various comment sections saying "yeah i tried it had issues and switched back" basically the same experience that the video portrayed. Why was that same person able to suffer through windows for 25+years but this is just "too much".

I personally feel that most of the linux community has been a breath of fresh air. I feel stupid sure, but at the same time its rewarding to communicate with others and find a solution.

Even some people within the linux community feel this way, telling users to simply read the man page or the official forums to find solutions rather than teach them to use the man pages and arch wiki for example. Its honestly baffling to me on both ends.

Open question to all: what is your level of profiency? How do you learn about linux? Do you think there is a problem or is it a loud minority of users?

It's so weird that people with a huge platform can't seem to get Linux right, but tons of us Joe Schmos have no problems.

reminds of the linus incident. non linux youtubers need to stop making sweeping claims about linux after they fuck it up

This is a shame to see. I haven't watched Jay recently because I feel like his content has kind of gone the Linus route of being more entertainment focused vs a channel like GN where they have very strict and regimented testing methodology. Even as entertainment though, I think this needelessly smears Bazzite. His experience is valid, but the conclusion being "the OS's fault" or "Linux not being there yet" is kinda harmful. Yes, kernal level anti-cheat is a huge problem. But as a lifelong Windows user who myself converted last year and has not had to go back because all the games I want to play work, my experience has been that my games run better through Proton than they do natively on Windows. I hope there's a followup at some point soon where he tries again with a fresh install on its own drive. Even if the reporting isn't scientific (it doesn't have to be), I would expect his experience to be better.

Lazy reporting...

Then why post here and get clicks for their shitty youtube channel?

Linux should work out of the box. Besides installing drivers no effort should be required. Especially with stuff like Bazzite which has all gaming stuff preinstalled.

This is a great and much needed video to show an actual user experience.

What I think:

If i install Windows, latest drivers and steam I am set. No need to know what i am doing, no need to consult an expert. Just: Next, next finish, yes yes, sure, here is the soul of my first born, next yes, sure. Fuck off with that edge update. Yes next end.

The moment bootloaders etc can break, whatever the cause, is the moment you lose 60% of your users.

The moment you need to consult an expert to game you lose another 20%.

That's what he's doing. He is not catering or talking to you, the experienced Linux user, he's talking to your nephew who just finished building his first game pc. He's saying: You little guy... don't bother just yet. Get acquainted with everything and then try this.

Its fine reporting IMO. We had so many switching to linux Ws this year it was about time someone had a subpar experience.

A few months ago, I switched from gaming on Windows to full time gaming on Linux. I have the same hardware for both but my Linux gaming experience is much jankier than it was on Windows. I have more available resources (Mint is much leaner than 11, even with cutting out Windows bloat), but games have odd hang ups and crashes that never happened before my switch.

Discord also works poorer in Linux, so I have to mess with that during gaming sessions as well. It worked much better after I removed the version I installed through snap but now I have to manually download and install an update every time it wants an update, which is frequently. Discord definitely worked better on Windows.

Also, my buddy and I built identical gaming computers at the same time and he stayed on Windows. My computer will crash or stutter on lower settings in games while his doesn't at the default detected settings, which are usually higher since I had to back mine off to ward off the issues.

That all said, it feels like I am gaming on XP in 2003-4. Games mostly work but GPU (NVIDIA) drivers are a pain in the ass and I occasionally have to do some troubleshooting to get things to work and and deal with crashes that I did not have before the switch.

I think the switch is for the best overall but I won't pretend like Linux gaming is equal (or better) to gaming on Windows. I am learning a ton about Linux but overall, out of the box, I miss Windows features and accessories and Linux needs a lot more configuration to do the same things. And even then, it is still not at the same quality for quite a few features.

Their critic seem fair? Sure the benchmarks are a bit unfortunate for Linux because all except Cyberpunk 2077 are games not very popular and not optimized well in Proton, but they don't seem to have selected them specifically to make Linux look bad.

And the boot error... well yes those things sometimes happen, especially when you dual boot and are a Linux noob 🤷