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Might help also to describe what you think feminism is, since it's one of those terms that is overloaded.

I once had a physical therapist tell me she wasn't a feminist because she thought women couldn't be as physically capable as men when serving as soldiers, and seemed to believe feminism requires treating women exactly like men.

I told her I was a feminist because I believe in equal rights for men and women, an idea she did not seem so opposed to.

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[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

My take on feminism is that it just means equal rights and equal treatment, so fuck yeah I'm a feminist.

I once had a physical therapist tell me she wasn't a feminist because she thought women couldn't be as physically capable as men when serving as soldiers

That argument has always seemed like a cop-out to me. The division there is with physical ability, not gender. Establish the physical requirements and call it a day. There are weak-ass men who have no business getting near fields like that; and strong-ass women who blow the physical requirements out of the water.

Overall, men will pull ahead in jobs that emphasize physical labor - that's fine. The flip side is also true, with other jobs favoring the anatomy and physiology of women. Aviation comes to mind. Especially if we're still in the context of military, size and weight both need to be LOW. So same spiel - establish the requirements as the job demands and call it a day; weight and size limits will tend to favor women.

In either case, marking it as men-only or women-only is fucking stupid; but the demands of a specific career field leaning into anatomical and psychologic advantages of one sex vs the other is fine so long as the numbers reflect the actual demands.

*This does come with the need for and oversight, though, as the potential for abusing a system like that is high in order to accomplish sexist goals.

There's something to be said for the mental side as well. Speaking as a surgical tech, the best techs I've worked with have consistently been women. I couldn't begin to tell you why, and I'm backing this on the tiny field of view I've had into this field, but anecdotally, women are just better. I get a similar impression looking to the nurses and doctors, but I don't have the expertise to really judge either of those.

Tldr, utilize people's strengths, but don't be a sexist asshole about it.

[-] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 days ago

I've read that female surgeons have better outcomes and fewer complications than male counterparts:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/article-abstract/2833145

It's possible that is just due to sexism, though - maybe fewer women have access to the educational and professional opportunities that translate to becoming surgeons, so the ones that make it are more skilled on average than men who don't have to overcome those challenges?

Either way, it conforms to your perspective.

re soldiers: I'm not even sure my PT had a clear sense of what was happening in the context, I think she was just repeating arguments her reactionary husband had made, which may not be based on anything true ... like, she presented it as though women who are not fit or physically equal to other male soldiers are being placed into units with men because of feminism, and this slows down and undermines the unit, ignoring the practical problems for ideological reasons like "equality". It's not clear to me this is actually happening in the military, though - I have doubts.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Oh, right on! I've only worked at a few different hospitals, so the sample size of my anecdote is pretty tiny, but I've noticed two trends that seem to contribute:

With newer surgeons, women are quicker to recognize when shit's getting out of their experience level, and ask for help from their seniors before an emergency unfolds. Men tend to dig themselves into a hole first, then call a senior for a rescue as an absolute last resort.

With seasoned surgeons, women tend to be nicer to their team; men tend to be assholes. This is problematic if someone on the team is more timid - there have been instances where someone notices something like a hole in the surgeon's glove, but didn't say anything about it because they were afraid of inciting the surgeon's anger... and then the patient ends up with an infection. As the tech or nurse in the OR, you need to bold as fuck sometimes. I.e., when I was a couple years into this job, we were wrapping up a big open-belly case, surgeon starts closing while the nurse and I were doing our counts. Counts were no good - one of our lap sponges was unaccounted for. "Doc, stop closing, we're missing a sponge" ...he ignored me and kept closing... so I reach over with a pair of scissors and cut the needle off the suture he was using. He proceeds to lose his shit, we do a sweep of the abdomen, and sure as shit there's the missing lap. Then he doubles down and starts snapping about how lucky I was that it was in there. Both the nurse and I start chewing him out - literally doesn't matter if it's not in there, if your surg tech says there might be a retained sponge, you stop what you're doing and start looking for that sponge. Were I less blunt with that dude, he'd have finished that stitch and closed the cavity, so now the nurse has to chart that a cavity was closed with a wrong count, then legal gets involved. I literally saved that dude from some serious trouble, but he was too butthurt to be anything other than pissed.

Anyway, women tend not to pull shut like that. Every time I've needed to call the room to a halt with a female surgeon, she's just been on board with addressing the problem. Men feel like I'm challenging them personally that they need to contest; women see it as a challenge to the entire team that we all collectively need to resolve.

To be clear, most surgeons male or female just want what's best for the patient and don't put up a fight when I raise a concern... but when there is pushback, it's generally from a man.

so the ones that make it are more skilled on average than men who don't have to overcome those challenges?

Hadn't considered that, but you're probably right. Female doctors get a lot more stupid pushback. A year or so ago, I was in a thyroid case, doc was one of the younger women on the ENT crew. Also super small. ...and people treat her like a fucking child. Anyway, we had recently had issues with pathology following her orders, so once she was done taking specimens, she ran them down to pathology herself to make sure everything went smoothly... the lab tech who received them literally told her to 'go back to the OR and ask the surgeon to clarify the order' lol. She would have been 100% justified in exploding at that tech, but she didn't cuz she's actually a decent person. That kind of shit never happens to men. I've been called 'doctor' more times than I can count, despite the giant green "TECH" label hanging below my name tag. "Quite the promotion, sir, but if you're not trying to kill the patient you should probably bounce that question off of someone who knows what they're doing."

[-] protist@mander.xyz 4 points 3 days ago

For me, feminism is egalitarianism, plain and simple. Yes, I am a feminist, and an egalitarian.

[-] sad_detective_man@leminal.space 3 points 2 days ago

I want to be, yeah. I suffer under patriarchy and want it to change. And I've tasted glimpses of places and times when women and men are safe and free and I want that for everyone all of the time.

But also I'm way too problematic to get to call myself part of the movement. I've got bad history and shitty ideas that I still need to resolve so my contributions to feminism are only things that I can do anonymously. If I notice anyone trying to figure me out irl, I obfuscate and let them settle on their first incorrect conclusion.

[-] gens@programming.dev -1 points 1 day ago

I wrote here my honest opinion only to be mocked. Fuck you all, I'm not going to answer this online ever again.

And no, I wasn't sexist.

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[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The first wave was right. (equal legal rights)

The second wave had a good point. (reproductive rights and workplace discrimination)

The rest were just further attempted power grabs that don't even make the people they claim to represent happy. They tried to do what well meaning but ultimately misguided anti racism waves did by claiming gender shouldn't even be acknowledged aka "I don't even see the color." Which is it's own kind of bigotry.

Everyone should be allowed to fill the same role, but while a minority might be ecstatic in the corpo grinder, it made society worse for men and women more generally, and I don't see many women who enjoy being forced into the hunter gatherer role by the capitalists and the convenient femininists whose message they coopted to boost productivity by mandating ALL the poors make widgets for them if they want to subsist.

It hasn't been productive to raise women to believe it is essential that they defy gender norms as if it is their mission in life to do so. More than anyone else, modern feminists have culturally demeaned the role of being a wife and mother in society, which is ironic, since they seem dead set on making women fit the mold of the men they see as their oppressor.

Men and women are different, with different strengths and weaknesses and intrinsic desires. With overlap, there are things that make men happier and things that make women happier generally. We should have equality, but we've been trying to shoehorn both genders to be interchangable in any societal role en masse, and it's taken a massive toll on men and women in different ways.

Edit: Nevermind, everything is awesome, we did it!

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[-] weeeeum@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I would say I am now. I wasnt a few years ago but after roe v wade being overturned, the subsequent shitshows, as well has government powercreep against rights I believe women should yield, turned me into a feminist. There are obviously issues that men face, but I believe women are most at risk of oppression under this current administration. Especially with how frequently the blatant fascist dog whistle of "traditional family values" is blown nowadays. Republicans are desperately trying to cram women back into the kitchen and domestic servitude.

[-] hakase@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Lots of good comments here pointing out problems with feminism, but one that I think hasn't been mentioned enough in this thread that's also directly relevant to the OP is the harmful idea that "if you believe in gender equality, then you're a feminist by definition".

While the term "feminist" does signify a person who, at least ostensibly, is in favor of equal rights among genders, using that term also, necessarily, implies belief in the core dogma that is inseparable from the term itself (patriarchy theory, etc.). This creates a false dichotomy in which people feel that in order to support equal rights they must also buy into feminist dogma, and that's not at all the case.

Luckily, though, feminism doesn't have a monopoly on gender equality, and it's important to let people know that fact, both because of how incredibly misleading "feminism just means gender equality" is and because there are more useful, more egalitarian frameworks through which to view the push for equality.

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[-] deadcatbounce@reddthat.com 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm an egalitarian. I believe women and women are, and should be treated, equal(ly).

The clue is in the name feminist. Feminism is about equality in the same way an advocate of masculinism is an advocate of equality.

[-] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 2 days ago

Why do you think feminism as an egalitarian movement is focused on women?

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[-] LuigiMaoFrance@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago

I'm a male vegan anarchist and reject every form of mistreatment based on immutable qualities like species, ethnicity, sex etc. At the same time women in my life have consistently broken my trust, which has left me with some generalized cynical views about them. I also believe that the west is at a point where women often receive preferential treatment in sectors like education and hiring, so advocating for them while men are left behind doesn't make much sense to me. I do not consider myself a feminist.

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