Oh I've heard the "bisexual men don't exist" thing a million times, often from gay men.

I like to shut the conversation down by waving around the statistic that for every gay man, there are 3 bisexual men.

It was normal for men to take teenage boys, teach them up, and also use them for sexual gratification. Everyone was okay with it, but with 1 big stipulation: you get off by sliding your penis between the thighs to climax, and do not penetrate the young boy anally. That was considered "crossing the line" & perverting him as a man.

I think this was common Greek practice, not Roman.

New Jim Jeffries special? Gonna have to check this out.

If just second-hand stigma is enough for you to change your behavior, imagine how much worse it is for someone who is actually bi

You can also be brave and not give a fuck how anybody that would think less of you for being compassionate might stigmatize you. But this is the internet and I have no context.

The people attaching stigmas to you aren't worth worrying about.

Speaking from the perspective of a straight white guy who was heavily involved in the GSA at school.

if I defend the bi ppl ill get a stigma attached to me

By whom?

This seems like a non-issue, just personal anxiety.

Oh fuck off with that.

In my older age I've come to the realization that a lot of people join movements just to belong, not because they actually hold the conviction. I think in fact there are people who aren't capable of even having a conviction, just bouncing between whatever expressive habits are most convenient socially

You see it with things like politics and religion too

My favourite is the ones who scream about slut shaming then use "virgin" as an insult.

Although that seems to have fallen out of fashion lately.

That specific insult I mean, not hypocrisy.

With leftists and progressives the louder they are about their beliefs and virtues the less they actually follow those through. Just like with religious people, it’s just virtue signaling.

This is the root of the problem with much of the discussion around male identity online.

Women finally, and rightfully, gained a voice, and plenty of dudes listened. Many of them, not really understanding feminism as an academic discipline or having any real sympathy towards any aspect of being a man, used that voice to point of the many issues faced by women in the world and to fight for women.

Where this falls apart is that because of the lack of real understanding regarding feminism and the concept of patriarchy, a lot of it boiled down to "shut up, the women are talking" and "we don't care about your problems"

None of this makes the problems away, none of this is really geared towards equality, and much of it is just switching the genders on deeply toxic patriarchal power structures that were used to oppress women for centuries.

When you think about how stupid 90% of the people involved on both sides of this discourse online are, it's of little surprise so many women went looking for easy answers from hucksters who pitched exploitation and oppression as empowerment.

all I see are green flags

You wouldn't believe how many progressive women only date stereotypically conservative men. Here is a metanalysis of five studies showing how women in general prefer men who espouse and act out "benevolent sexism." This is the age old problem for men: women say they want one thing, but date something completely different.