I'm getting to the point where I'd rather see csam legalized than this shit. (Keep reading)

Think about it: csam will happen, period. I'm not world's best computer engineer but even Incan build something that embeds data like text or images in other files in ways that cannot be detected. I can build basic but effective encryption that will be hard enough to crack. I can find ways to exchange files outside the internet, hell, do sneakernet

And kids watching porn online? They'll have their buddies who have libraries that will be copied. A single USB drive can contain days of porn videos and you can't stop that either

Then there are these laws that "are to protect children" which makes me just outright want to vomit. You take victims of child pornography and use them for your political gain, for your power. You are almost worse than pedophiles. At least pedophiles harm only one child, you harm all of them you sack of fucking shit.

And no, of course I don't want child pornography legalized, of course not by what is the solution?

These assholes have been at it for decades now and they play the long game. They can lose every year and come back next year. They only have to win once and they move on to he next good thing they can destroy.

So what can we actually really seriously do to stop this?

What an obnoxious excuse, there are far worse problems children have to face besides bad parenting.

Watching the children whack off and being judgemental is Yahweh's job, not his ministers.

/s?

Josh Lane was addicted to porn by 14-years-old after first finding it via a Google search when he was aged 12.

Now 25 and happily married.

Wow. Porn really destroyed this mans life. What a tragic tale.

Why not just gouge out their eyeballs, it's the only way to make sure!

Oh, what's that, it's not actually about the porn, it's about getting everyone to self-submit personal info to your shitty databases? Ooh, ok, gotcha!

Edit: sorry about the non-sequitur, I'm losing my fucking mind...

It feels like a return of the pornography/video games/rock music moral panic of the late 20th century. I wish these conservative idiots would just fuck off. We'll do anything before we tackle things that are really affecting children. Like poverty and hunger, in one of the world's richest countries. We're a joke of a country, no wonder people keep making fun of us. We deserve it.

I know none of this is actually about protecting kids... But even if it was, their reasoning and methodology sucks.

some of the 16 to 21-year-olds surveyed saying they had viewed it "aged six or younger".

So there may have been a problem at least 10 years ago. Does that problem still exist? (never mind the obvious "is the problem parents ignoring their kids on a tablet"...)

Josh Lane was addicted to porn by 14-years-old after first finding it via a Google search when he was aged 12.

Okay, now let's address the parents being the problem. By default, Google's "Safe Search" is on, and the kid actively searched for porn. So no parental supervision of the 12 year old kid on the internet. Someone setup a google account, and changed the default settings to show those results. (oh, but that person is 25 now, so that was also 13 years ago...)

Almost all of the big websites have parental control settings that would alleviate the vast majority of these "problems" if parents actually used them. Parents being willfully ignorant isn't going to be resolved by legislation. They know that. This is all a smoke screen to put the entire population behind a firewall and control the narrative. It isn't even a very thick smoke screen.

I've been biting my tongue hard these past few months in a concerted effort not to be offensive. I'm not trying to be intentionally offensive, however, I feel there is an element in this situation that is being disregarded in favor of someone else doing your work. When I say 'You', Your', etc, I mean it in the royal sense. So, warm up the downvote finger and man the flame throwers.

If it's genuinely for the children, then when are we going to require parents to be parents? Look, you brought this service into your home voluntarily. You might say 'Well I need it for work' or 'I need it for school'. Tons of people use hundreds of thousands of hotspots daily to do their thing on the internet. This service you voluntarily brought into your house, has both the ability to be highly beneficial and highly detrimental all in the same breath. Technology always, always, always wields a double edged sword.

And what do the majority of parents do with such power? They give it to their vulnerable, under aged, highly curious, children, un-monitored, uncensored, and uninhibited. Are you insane? So when little Johnny is caught surfing porn hub, the parents freak and cry out to their government 'We need to ban porn!' No! What we need is for parents to be parents.

There are literally hundreds of services, and ways to lock down your internet. I hear parents say 'I'm not technologically inclined.' Get there. The safety and well being of your children hang in the balance. Take a class at your local Tech College. I'd be willing to bet that when little Johnny's mom was pregnant, she most likely did some reading on the topic. Some even take a class on childbirth. The internet should be no different. Access one or two of the billions of tuts out on the internet.

Now, will locking down your internet like a multi-billion dollar enterprise with a Brinks Kit keep little Johnny from seeing some skin? No! Why? Because it's natural for humans to want to see what other humans look like naked. Children are naturally inquisitive. The prime directive of all life is to replicate. So, have frank, open, direct, and yes, awkward conversations with your children. Let them know in no uncertain terms what is acceptable on your network. Tell them why these things are not appropriate for their age group. This relationship with your children starts at Day 1.

You have 18 years of boot camp to equip your children with all the tools necessary to make wise, prudent decisions in life. You probably taught them how to ride a bicycle, or drive a car, or any number of teaching opportunities parents have with their children. The internet should be no different. We live in a technological time line that is ever changing, so it behooves parents to know exactly what is going on with their technology and how their children are using it. Get with it.

Being a parent takes work. Being a network administrator also takes work. Anyone who is a seasoned veteran of this chan knows, to secure a network in order to be as private, secure, and anonymous as possible on the internet, takes work. I find, a large portion of parents are unwilling to do the work and would rather fob off their responsibilities as a parent, to the government having jurisdiction. I'm not painting all parents with this brush. Kudos to parents who are very involved in their children's lives. There are enough of them tho, that are not, and this is a big issue. It gives governments the justification they desire to surveil their citizenry.

Let the roast begin.

Even if kids see porn the lessons they learn are directly a result of how their parents approach the topic with them. Public education can't functionally provide useful sex ed due to politics.

I guess if you can blame your kids for breaking the law you never have to have "the talk" with them.

I mean who was asking for the government to show their ID to view porn as the solution to children having access to pornographic material (has never been an issue until now randomly)

Talk more openly about how none of these people give a fuck about protecting kids, and just want to ~~make life shitty for everyone including them~~ grab power.

Point out bad faith and don't let it be about anything else, until it actually is. We can't get anywhere because nobody's actually dealing with the actual situation, which is people lying publicly.

Stop going along with that shit. Every time you talk about the fake issue, you're helping them by pretending they're telling the truth when they aren't.

How about parents supervise their own kids them-fuckin'-selves?

Honestly I think access to AI chatbots at an early age is way more harmful to the developing brain. Character.ai is a very popular platform among younger gen z. LLMs are giving grown adults full blown psychosis, where's all the concern for the children when it comes to a dangerous tool like that? What a bunch of geriatric fucking clowns.

This is so fucking stupid, you cannot stop VPNs, because things like ShadowSocks exist. When will they learn that the only way to stop VPNs is to disable the internet completely. As long as the internet exists, VPNs will too. Ask your friend Xi Jinping about that.

I guess it's just too late for all those children that viewed porn. The piles of their dead bodies must be enormous!

Same religious garbage they've been trying to pull for the last 75+ years.

"Someone think of the CHILDREN!!!".

They scream, as they take away your rights to information, privacy, and anything else that they possibly can. They don't want you to have rights.

children figuring out VPNs in a week while these bumfucks (state that they) didn't manage to understand it in the years they've been given just goes to show the many orders of magnitudes of difference in their intelligence

Stop blocking Wikipedia

Governments have persistently censored and surveilled the internet ever-more on the basis of "but the children :(" without ever doing a single actually good thing for the children like decreasing class sizes or letting parents spend more time with their children. Both of which would actually help address the issue.

This is the equivalent of abstinence education, just keep 'em ignorant and then when they finally see porn on superundergroundillegalporn.com.illegal it'll just be 10x worse.

Could we take wind out of the excuse "it's to protect the children" by implementing a signal like DoNotTrack/GPC but for NSFW content?

I think they will ban vpns but as this article hints at, more regulation