To combat malware and financial scams,
yeah, of course. Totally to combat malware.
Guess my current pixel is my last Android. Already refusing to update to the next horrible crap-version of lock-my-shit-away-from-me, but this? End of the line. Why even go android and not apple? It's on the way to become exactly the same garbage. I WANT TO OWN MY DEVICES FOR FUCKS SAKE. Not pay 1000+ bucks to RENT a stupid phone. Go fork yourself. I'm tired, Boss...
Guess my current pixel is my last Android.
What then, iOS?
Some Linux phone. The only thing I will probably regret is the camera on those.
What exactly is this product, though? Does it already exist?
Yes. Some do. Not tried yet, simply because the cam is always not very competitive. But my next one will be one.
Wow, thanks! I only know the Fairphone...
I hope they all are kinda decent. But as long as my pixel works I don't see a reason to buy a new one.
If Google strips our phones of NewPipe, etc., then yeah, that's gonna be a problem, haha.
Yup...problems are probably coming either way. I hate enshittification 😐
Maybe graphene?
Graphene is still based on AOSP, they could probably have a workaround for that but the main issue I can see is small projects being leftover by their devs because the majority of there users runs a Google controlled Android and thus they will be forced to verify... Some will do it other probably won't.
I am concerned...
It that not moribund anyway? Isn't the last android version going very closed source now and hence condemning all others based on it to die? If not now, then soon.
Not from my understanding of the situation, Android Open Source Project (AOSP) is still Free, Open Source and living.
What's changing is that now with Android 16 and following, Google removed the Pixel device trees from the AOSP. But still according to them, they never considered AOSP providing device trees as a hardware requirement.
Also according to GrapheneOS team Pixel 10 has much more significant hardware changes than the Pixel 6a through Pixel 9a.
Hmm then it was something else. Google closed part of the source or their drivers off, so aosp is stuck wherever it's now? There was something major that made me stop updating 🤔
Could you provide sources please? I think it's "just" that the new commits aren't public until the release is.
From a quick search,unverified:
https://www.androidauthority.com/google-android-development-aosp-3538503/
fully happen in private. Currently, Google shares some of the work it does on the public AOSP Gerrit, but moving forward, this work will all be done in private.
The latter part is probably the reason for my fear. I read that aosp soon will be moribund. I mean, it would surely be time for the usual enshittification
this change doesn’t mean that Android is becoming closed-source
What will change is the frequency of public source code releases for specific Android components. Some components like the build system, update engine, Bluetooth stack, Virtualization framework, and SELinux configuration are currently AOSP-first, meaning they’re developed fully in public. Most Android components like the core OS framework are primarily developed internally, although some features, such as the unlocked-only storage area API, are still developed within AOSP.
source code for changes will only be released when Google publishes a new branch containing those changes
But what good is aosp (or graphene) still being open for, if google closes their devices (drivers i assume) off? Currently the pixels are king because of that.
Should've saved the news I was referring too, now I'm not sure what exactly it was about. Hopefully just my cynical ass overreacting.
No, the Pixels are king because they let you unlock the booloader and lock it back.
GrapheneOS team said themselves that having pixel device trees in AOSP never was a requierment
I think well see more ppl doing custom roms and whatever android version of jailbreaking is maybe? Dissapointing tho, this will be my last android tablet.
Let Google know what you think about this: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfN3UQeNspQsZCO2ITkdzMxv81rJDEGGjO-UIDDY28Rz_GEVA/viewform
So, for a Statesian that is trying to degoogle, what's the best path? Lots of restrictions on phones we can get, sadly.
Fairphone seems like the best option at the moment. It uses e/os which is Android based, and you can run most of the apps on it. https://shop.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6
Yea, might have to. My phone is aging and doesn't support LineageOS, sadly.
I'm still on Pixel 5 with LineageOS, but the battery is starting to go. Sadly, can't get Fairphone in Canada yet. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like any of the Linux based phones are quite ready to be a daily driver either.
I know, I was just looking into the state of linux phones last night. I'd love a genuine alternative, but I need my phone for work for things like 2FA, Teams, etc that I just can't use on linux phones yet it seems.
Yup, the app ecosystem is just not quite there yet, and google app store is still the only place for some apps you can't do without.
Still holding hope that it will get there! Huge respect to the devs for this undertaking.
Indeed, having full blown Linux on the phone would honestly be the ideal option. I'm honestly surprised that nobody tried building hardware around this idea. You could have a single device that acts like a phone, but then you could make it dockable and the dock could add more ram and a better GPU, so then you could use it like a desktop. So, you'd just carry a single device around with you all the time and use it in different modes as needed. This would also avoid the need for using a lot of online services, like the calendar, which sync data across devices. You'd just always have all your data in one place.
That's a cool perspective! Hadn't thought of it like that, moreso the utility of a purely FOSS system that can't be fucked with like Google does with AOSP.
Exactly, and it's interesting to think how so many services exist simply because we constantly switch devices. If you just have one drive with all your data on it, then the whole problem goes away. And the dock could also have a raid built in, so every time you sync with the dock you make a backup of your system, so if your drive fails you just swap the other one in and keep going. I really would love to see local first future of computing.
Interesting, thanks for sharing!
Fairphone in Canada: https://lemmy.ca/post/50071607
You can't get it from their official store though last I looked.
That's correct. So warranty and such is difficult. But if you need one, it seems it's available and it seems to work on Freedom. A friend is running an FP5 on Fido.
I figure I'll hold out and see if it becomes officially available. My phone still works fine for the most part, and if battery holds out there's nothing too wrong with it really.
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