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[-] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

Life could be forming again RIGHT NOW, but there's already pretty well established life here already that could stamp the upstart out.

[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

For all we know it did. We believe that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old but it's estimated that conditions suitable for life only appeared about 200 million years after that. Since the oldest fossils we've found are 3.7 billion years old, there is a 600 million year gap between when we think life could have formed and out earliest records of it.

There is every possibility that life formed multiple times in different environments on Earth in those first few hundred million years and then been wiped out by one of the frequent cataclysms that ravaged the early Earth. We have no way of knowing though. If life formed around a volcanic vent and then got wiped out by a meteor impact there would be no evidence it ever happened. Even if such life was wiped out by a climatic shift or something like that, there still wouldn't likely be much evidence left if any right now. The Earth's surface has been changed so much in the last 3.7 billion years, there are very few areas older than that where such fossil records from before that could be found.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

And there's a good chance that other life would be chemically or structurally similar, so without DNA evidence we'd confuse it's fossils with others (see Prototaxites).

Also, maybe life does reoccur relatively frequently, but is killed by existing bacteria, viruses, bacteriophage... again, for being too chemically/structurally similar to the existing life.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Isn't there evidence mitochondria took a different evolutionary path before they were captured by cells?

There are also a few other really weird cellular-scale life forms I forget the names of that could be different evolutionary paths. Though I'd think the seeming hegemony of life comes from life competing in the same environments and either killing off or adapting to/with other evolutionary chains like with mitochondria. It surely wouldn't take billions or even millions of years for microscopic life to spread across Earth, so there's been plenty of time for any different upstarts to mix or kill off each other.

[-] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Life has been found deep in the Earth's crust. Think about that in this context.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_biosphere

The conditions for deep biosphere life exist throughout the universe. While surface life is apparently very rare, most planetary bodies with a hot core and subsurface moisture should have some layer conducive to this sort of life.

Since we don't fully how life arises from non-life, it's speculation as to whether life really is uncommon or not. But deep biosphere life should easily be the most common form in the universe. Estimates for it on Earth put it at about 90% of our biomass of archaea and bacteria.

[-] maxwells_daemon@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The conditions are perfect for life to thrive, and especially to evolve, we're not so sure about forming.

Actually, I'm pretty compelled by the hypothesis that Mars actually had the perfect conditions for life to form. With less of an ocean covered surface, regular rain, and constant meteor showers. Such meteors would form holes lined with random chemicals, which then get filled with water, forming a puddle. If one puddle doesn't have all the necessary components to form life, another likely will. That seems to me like a much better scenario than a sparsely diluted ocean on Earth.

Then whatever life originated on Mars might have been thrown into space by one of those meteors, and by chance, fell on Earth. There's actually evidence that such interplanetary matter transfer is possible, and has happened. That would explain why we only know of a single common ancestor, the only one that arrived here.

[-] Artisian@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I think OP's question still holds, even if you think all of that happened. If there was so much life on mars and so much ejecta, why didn't multiple (differently structured, eg not DNA) rounds of life get formed on mars and transplanted to earth? Why 1x?

[-] meekah@gehirneimer.de 1 points 1 month ago

We can't know that didn't happen. We just know that only one life form succeeded, it is very possible that others were pushed to extinction because of that.

[-] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

First of all I love this question. My suggestion is that you shuffle a deck of cards, flip them over and note their exact order, then shuffle again and note the order again then keep shuffling and checking the order until the deck resets to the original shuffled order. It's gotta happen eventually, but it might take you a while. In fact a lot of people have studied that very specific problem and there's actually really good odds that every shuffled deck you've ever held has been the only deck of that order in history. So, yes, it almost certainly has happened somewhere, but good luck finding it.

[-] Maiq@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago

52!

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https://czep.net/weblog/52cards.html

I was fascinated for a couple years, back when flash player was coming to an end. I built a deck of cards in AS3 with the original goal of a simple single player blackjack. This was introductory research I came across that has held a fascination for me ever since.

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