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submitted 3 weeks ago by fort_burp@feddit.nl to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

Socialism will never work because it’s founded on emancipation, and you can’t force people to emancipate themselves. That would be the opposite of emancipation.

I’m not sure if this is a quote, I can’t remember where I heard it.

"Emancipation" in this case meaning emancipation from wage slavery.

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[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

That doesn't make any sense as a statement. It sounds like you can't force freedom on people, but yeah you can make them free without consent but I don't get how that makes sense in this context.

Multiple countries show socialism works perfectly fine for essential and shared services and other things a society needs. It doesn't work for everything, which is why so many countries are a blend of socialist public stuff like universal healthcare, free education, and those kinds of things whle still having capitalism in the firm of private for profit companies for non-essential stuff like restaurants and clothing stores.

Note that if the country has socialist in the name it probably isn't actually socialist in practice.

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

This is a really important take that not enough people understand.

Very few people are asking for universal socialism. Capitalism works fine for some industries, Socialism works great for some industries. The government needs to figure out which ones are which, and implement rules around that.

The big one right now that people are just starting to figure out is that capitalism sucks at real estate. The free market failures there are significant and causing a lot of problems.

IMO land should be strictly owned by the government, and only rented to citizens. This should be the primary source of tax revenue for a country, not income taxes. Use more land, pay more taxes. Use less land, pay less taxes. Land taxes also benefit from being the only thing you can never hide, because you can't put it under a table or move it offshore.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

ITT: People who don't know the definition of Socialism.

Socialism is simply when the workers of a business all equally share ownership of the business ("means of production") and thus have input on how the business is run.

Socialist businesses would still trade their goods in a marketplace, which could even be a "free market."

[-] RmDebArc_5@piefed.zip 0 points 3 weeks ago

There are countries that were made democratic not by the people but their dictator/monarch. Why couldn’t the same happen with socialism?

Also one should consider that (at least in the non Stalinist definition) socialism more or less just means worker coops. There are worker coops. There is the theoretical possibility that their numbers rise until private companies are basically non existent. Socialism doesn’t necessarily require a revolution.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Just because something is made a democracy in principle doesn't mean it's democracy in action.

Often these proto-democracies are more prone to corruptive influence because their populace is under-educated and eager for someone to give them easy answers to their problems.

That's a major reason the US is in the state it is, despite there still being a great deal of political power in the hands of the populace.

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