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Sure are a lot of liberals suddenly not concerned with whataboutism in this thread.
whataboutism 
Easy block.
They couldn't "gone" beyond self defence if it wasn't self-defense to start with.
I mean, they got attacked
After decades of brutalising the gazans and stealing land
By civilians?
Collective punishment is a war crime
Liberals: LALALALA! LALALALA ๐๐ฉ๐
Israel hasn't even started their offensive, and already the number of Palestinian civilians killed has gone far beyond the number of Israelis killed in the Hamas raid.
They've dropped over 5,000 bombs on Gaza (and counting) including white phosphorus and you say they haven't started their offensive???
There are, as of yet, no tanks rolling into Gaza. It's all shaping operations and small localised raids so far.
So there's no ground invasion. But the offensive has started
If you consider preparations to be part of the thing, yes. Which is a valid view just not standard military lingo.
Look at it like this: If you only do shaping, that is, poke and peek until you have the enemy in a position you like, but then don't actually pounce the impact on the battlefield will be minimal to non-existent: Borders won't shift, what you essentially did is having an overcomplicated skirmish.
...that's militarily speaking. Of course, the IDF already killed more Gazan civilians than Hamas killed Israeli civilians. But militarily speaking that's not an offensive, how could it, it's not affecting military targets.
Yes, unfortunately.
China: why dont you do the humane thing and round them up, throw them in camps, force them into slave labor and kill them in mass if they dont get 'reeducated'?
And harvest organs too, economic prosperity, fuck yeah!
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stop collective punishment
- Chinese officials collectively punishing Muslims in their own country, for less
Collective punishment is when job and language training programs and employment placement. The more language and job skills a Muslim learns, the more collectively punished they are.
Where "job and language training programs" include sitting on the ground next to two hundred other inmates in humiliating postures.
...that said the camps indeed don't seem to be collective punishment from what I've gathered. If you keep your head down and behave Han-like enough and don't complain the Han leave you alone. They're also not bombing cities but just abducting people into camps, telling families to keep quiet about it or they're next because opposing the camps is obviously unpatriotic. Or questioning the state's decisions.
A component of CPC ideology is the idea that economic circumstance is the root of almost all problems and that, by extension, radicalization is a byproduct of being left behind by the economic system.
People might be forced into job and language training, but they do come out of it with job and language training (and with radical tendencies mostly eliminated). It's a collectively beneficial policy in the long run, but does step on Western notions of human rights quite aggressively (compulsory and forced education is a no-no).
For what it's worth, China has been trying to differentiate being "Chinese" from being "Han" to varying levels of success. This is in alignment with communist ideology. In fact, much of CPC ideology is drawn from Marxism: China is moving towards communism. In that view, China's behaviour becomes much more predictable, much easier to understand, and also much more reasonable. Communist ideology forms the core tenets of Chinese governance, just like the rights of life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and the principles of liberty, equality, and justice are core tenets of Western democracy.
radicalization is a byproduct of being left behind by the economic system.
You mean left behind by state capitalism with an absolute fig leaf of a welfare system?
...curious how MLs manage to blame themselves but not notice it. Who are those evil fat cats reaping all the profit leaving Xinjiang in the dust? Who profits now, who failed to invest ages ago?
Today, Xinjiang is solidly middle of the lack today in both GDP/capita and median income. Meanwhile, minority groups in Xinjiang have progressively narrowed the income gap over the years while in other provinces, Manchu and Hui people have almost eliminated the gap entirely. You're free to read the studies, but a good chunk of them are in Chinese. What is known is that, as a result, terrorist attacks have basically been eradicated. Looking at the data, whatever China has done is clearly working. It's simple, really: income go up, radicalization go down. China brought income up, and radicalization go down.
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Source: mouthpieces of western officials collectively punishing Muslims of many other countries, for oil
I'm sure everyone involved in fabricating this genocide merely has the best interests of all Muslims at heart.
Is this that whataboutism I've been hearing so much about?
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