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Trump is washing his hands of the Ukraine war
(www.telegraph.co.uk)
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Oh wow a shitty website has an article. Proof of absolutely nothing, congrats on that Ivan. Wtf is counterpunch? lol real reputable guy… Let me know when your president can’t change the constitution at will to serve for a lifetime.
More reputable than a random fash on lemmy that's for sure. Meanwhile, entire books have been written on the subject and it's documented extensively. The article links to numerous ones. Gold star for trying to make a counterpoint I guess.
Entire books on what? The US being fascist? Ok guy… gtfo, gold star for propaganda. There’s whole books written about how your country is now a dictatorship with a president who fakes elections and all they do is throw dissenters out of windows. Random fash, lol wow, you really got me there weirdo. How is Alexei Navalny doing in that super not a fascist country of yours? Maybe you guys will find someplace new to contaminate with radiation while trying to poison more people who disagree with your totally democratically elected leader. Tell me, are you guys still throwing people in prison to rot for putting antiwar stickers in supermarkets or protesting while holding up blank sheets of paper? How very free of you.
> Denies being fascist.
> Laments the murder of Alexei Navalny.
Interesting strategy.
Thank you for taking your valuable time away from huffing gas to make this insightful comment little fash.
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you're such an angry little fash, keep raging there kiddo
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I love how you screech about substance when you haven't said a single thing of substance yourself. Here's some more substance for you though:
Moyers: Bilbo said, “One drop of Negro blood placed in the veins of the purest Caucasian destroys the inventive genius of his mind and palsies his creative faculty.” Is it true that the Nazis thought the one-drop rule too extreme?
Whitman: They did indeed. They never proposed anything nearly as extreme as the one-drop rule. In fact the standard, the most far-reaching Nazi definitions of who counted as a Jew, matched the least far-reaching ones to be found in the American states. Virtually all American definitions of who counted as a black were far more draconian than anything found in any Nazi proposal.
https://billmoyers.com/story/hitler-america-nazi-race-law/
What I know is that you're an utter ignoramus and a walking embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
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Your shithole country was a literal model for the nazi germany. Your entire nation is built on literal genocide. You fascists butchered so many people that it cooled the planet https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47063973
Your founding fathers we literal slave owners and traded human beings like cattle.
And let's not forget about the KKK and the fascist party of America https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/america-fascism-legal-phase
Meanwhile here's some actual facts about USSR instead of your ignorant bleating.
- Professor of Economic History, Robert C. Allen, concludes in his study without the 1917 revolution is directly responsible for rapid growth that made the achievements listed above possible: https://web.archive.org/web/20200119044114/https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.507.8966&rep=rep1&type=pdf
- Study finds that the steady increase in quality of life during the Soviet period (including under Stalin). Includes the fact that Soviet life expectancy grew faster than any other nation recorded at the time: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2672986?seq=1
- A large study using world bank data analyzing the quality of life in Capitalist vs Socialist countries and finds overwhelmingly at similar levels of development with socialism bringing better quality of life: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646771/pdf/amjph00269-0055.pdf
- This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development and found socialism produces superior results: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2430906/
- Another study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during restoration of capitalism in the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe: https://academic.oup.com/cje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cje/beac072/7081084?guestAccessKey=01c8dd9f-af1c-48b3-b271-eb5d3a45017c&login=false
You keep on making a clown of yourself though, it's adorable. You're a walking embodiment of an ignorant fascist.
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Nah I'm not mad, and I'm certainly not your bro. It's hilarious how you keep exposing yourself as an ignoramus though. Really living up to the whole stereotype of the ignorant burgerlander. Sorry you had the misfortune to grow up in a land where there's no education. Here's what a book produced by your own army has to say on the subject. Read and weep loser.
pretty clear who the actual Goebbels jr. here is
and making a lot of weapons' sales in the process, carving Europe like a shawarma
Didn't US government sign a new agreement with Lockheed Martin to maintain the F-16 jets loaned to Ukraine?
This is Trump adapting his strategy of declaring bankruptcy to the political arena. He made a big deal about how skilled his is, in truth he's a moron and can't deliver, now he's washing his hands of it to avoid embarrassment.
Seems to me that Trump has skillfully outplayed the Europeans at every turn here, and managed to use the threat of Russia in Ukraine to make Europe completely dependent on the US economically. Europeans have now been cut off from cheap Russian energy and are forced to by increasingly large amounts of American LNG, Trump just forced an incredibly unequal deal on the EU, and the EU will be expected to invest close to a trillion into US economy in the coming years. On top of that, the US is actively poaching whatever industry is left in Europe. Eventually, Trump will make a deal with Russia, but Europe will be cannibalized before that happens.
Fash support fash.
just summed up NATO support for Ukraine
NATO support for Ukraine is summed up by a mix of "Liberal Democracies desperate cling to Rules based International Order despite hypocrisies" and "European countries with long history of being invaded and terrorized by Russia oppose countries being invaded and terrorized by Russia"
Neither NATO nor Ukraine are Fascist so… no
'Invading Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Libra, Vietnam, Syria, etc., engaging in genocide, coups, kidnapping, torture, operations Gladio and the like is totally not fascist!'
- You
meanwhile in the real world
- https://www.historynet.com/these-nato-generals-had-unusual-backgrounds-they-served-in-the-third-reich/
- origins of slava ukraini https://web.archive.org/web/20200926092831/https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2018/10/22/glory-to-ukraine-the-de-glorified-truth-of-ukrainian-nationalist-policy/
- Ukrainian neo-Nazi C14, known for racist and homophobic attacks, gets public funding for ‘patriotic education’ https://khpg.org/en/1528928862
- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30414955
- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329
- https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/2021-05-04/ty-article/.premium/ukrainian-official-changes-tune-on-unacceptable-march-honoring-ss-unit/0000017f-e0e2-d7b2-a77f-e3e7ee990000 (https://archive.ph/ckwv4)
- https://www.ft.com/content/7191ec30-9677-423d-873c-e72b64725c2d
- https://consortiumnews.com/2022/12/29/on-the-influence-of-neo-nazism-in-ukraine/
- https://consortiumnews.com/2022/12/29/evidence-of-us-backed-coup-in-kiev/
- https://gordonhahn.com/2015/05/02/ukraines-neo-fascist-right-sector-claims-responsibility-again-for-2-may-2014-terrorist-pogrom/
- http://www.errc.org/news/anti-roma-pogroms-in-ukraine-on-c14-and-tolerating-terror
I'm not interested in getting into a debate about whether Ukraine is fascist state (my official stance is "it's complicated"), but you should probably divide it cleanly into the period under a US-appointed neo-Nazi president and under a politically impotent Jewish president.
There isn't really a clean division, because while it's true that Zelensky ran on a platform of making peace in Donbas he was also bankrolled by Kolomoisky, who's the same guy that's tight with Azov https://www.thedailybeast.com/billionaire-ukrainian-oligarch-ihor-kolomoisky-under-investigation-by-fbi
In general, banderites and other far right groups continue to have a huge amount of political power there. Lots of top officials, like Zaluzhny, are very open about it too.
It's still an important distinction. A state run completely by Banderites vs a state where Banderites have considerable influence. In the former case the instigator is the entire state apparatus, in the latter case it's dark forces within the state that need to be fought against.
Anything from before the election of Zelensky can easily be brushed aside, and rightly so, as a criticism of the past state of Ukraine.
The current state of Ukraine isn't fundamentally different. If anything, under Zelensky, opposition parties and independent media have been banned, and elections have been cancelled. Ukraine today is basically a dictatorship that's aligned with the fascist forces.
My dude came with cherry picked receipts! I’ll tell you why you’re wrong later
whatever you say fash 🤡
I’m not a fascist
yeah, just like NATO and Ukraine
see, wasn't that hard to come clean
Yes coming clean about not being a fascist is very easy. Because I am not one.
just like the fascists you keep defending in this thread
I’ve not defended any fascists in this thread
Ukraine has fascist elements, as does NATO. I don't think as a whole either are fascist but the US is overwhelmingly central to NATO and the US is 100% fascist (regardless of which party is in power).
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