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[-] Zacryon@feddit.org 40 points 1 week ago
[-] Hobo@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

~~Don't be evil~~

Be evil when it makes money.

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[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

aged like a corpse in a bathtub more like it.

[-] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Mmmm head cheese

[-] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Don't be something or other, hey check out this week's doodle!

[-] ezterry@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 week ago

I am perfectly ok with android apps being required to be signed by not just a certificate (they always were just it could be self signed and just needed to match to upgrade without removing data) but a list of trusted entities.

As long as:

  • I can install my own key on my phone (I'd I am trusted)
  • major distributors like fdroid and have a key installed without friction (like web CAs)
  • Google let's me mark their key as untrusted (I probably won't but I should be able to refuse things they trust (at install time, not disabling preloaded apps like settings)

Without this it feels too much extending the monopoly despite being forced to allow 3rd party stores.

[-] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 27 points 1 week ago

Have we ever lived in a more stallmanwasright.jpg time?

[-] primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ah. Well. About software. Stallman was right about software

[-] manxu@piefed.social 9 points 1 week ago

I never wanted him to be wrong more than right now. Except for tomorrow, it's probably going to bé worse, tomorrow

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[-] art@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

I'm starting to think these for-profit companies only care about making money.

[-] edgyspazkid@lemmy.wtf 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

gulp You might be right

[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

What pisses me off it that they say they do this for security. It changes absolutely anything.

They really think that malware developers will say "oh no! I need to submit a picture of an id card to sign my malware! It's literally impossible to submit a jpg of a stolen id card, I'm ruined and out of a job!"

What does it change? Waste 20 minutes of some malware developer while they register under a stolen id? They already have a system that scans for known malware and automatically remove it.

[-] fading_person@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 week ago

It's always security when someone wants to take our freedom away. Always security...

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 week ago

Not always. It can also be about the children.

[-] fading_person@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago

About keeping the children safe

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[-] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Isn't this illegal in Europe? Was that the whole point of forcing apple to allow alternative app stores?

[-] progandy@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago

Technically, third party app stores are allowed. Developers "only" register with google to receive a developer certificate. Isn't apple doing the same thing in response to the EU regulations and that has been allowed?

[-] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

Seems like a weasel around the requirement to get rid of the actual benefit of 3rd party stores.

[-] magguzu@midwest.social 4 points 1 week ago

If you have a Mac, have you ever tried installing an app and have it refuse because it's not signed by Apple, and then you had to go into settings and click "allow anyway?"

This is that, except without the allow anyway feature, like iOS. It doesn't matter if it comes from the play store or elsewhere, as this story originally had us believe.

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[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

Let's hope that the rest of the world, specifically Europe smash this ridiculous proposal apart for what it is. Europe has already sorted out USB-C etc. Its not perfect and they don't get everything right, but certainly big enough to make stuff right.

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[-] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 week ago

There's never been a more urgent time to switch to Linux on pretty much every device.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

The mobile options for Linux are years out from being ready and the hardware vendors are locking them out as fast as possible.

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[-] leastaction@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

It seems to me that part of the problem is overreliance on phones as computing devices. A lot of things, like banking, are best done on an actual computer. We have become too dependent on phones.

[-] MashedTech@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Maybe we have this view because when we refer to computers we see a more open ecosystem that's not found in the mobile phone era. I want that same liberty with my phone. When the word "sideloading" has disappeared, I think then we have known something has changed.

[-] aliser@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

no it's not. takes me 2 seconds to log in into my banking up in my phone. anything basic will take a few taps to do (eg transfer money).

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[-] DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Open source community keeps trusting Google and they keep using the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

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[-] ook@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 week ago

I am really glad to see these articles popping up now. Since the news broke a week back or so it was suspiciously quiet about this, despite lots of negative comments here.

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[-] blueworld@piefed.world 6 points 1 week ago

For those in Europe, write your representatives.

Fro me f-droid's post: https://f-droid.org/2025/09/29/google-developer-registration-decree.html

What do we propose?

Regulatory and competition authorities should look carefully at Google’s proposed activities, and ensure that policies designed to improve security are not abused to consolidate monopoly control. We urge regulators to safeguard the ability of alternative app stores and open-source projects to operate freely, and to protect developers who cannot or will not comply with exclusionary registration schemes and demands for personal information.

If you are a developer or user who values digital freedom, you can help. Write to your Member of ParliamentCongressperson or other representative, sign petitions in defense of sideloading, and contact the European Commission’s Digital Markets Act (DMA) team to express why preserving open distribution matters. By making your voice heard, you help defend not only F-Droid, but the principle that software should remain a commons, accessible and free from unnecessary corporate gatekeeping.

https://f-droid.org/2025/09/04/twif.html [^antifeatures]: F-Droid Anti-Features overview: https://f-droid.org/docs/Anti-Features/ [^howmanyusers]: How many F-Droid users are there, exactly? We don’t know, because we don’t track users or have any registration. “No user accounts, by design”: https://f-droid.org/2022/02/28/no-user-accounts-by-design.html [^sideloading]: ‘“Sideload” is a weird euphemism that the mobile duopoly came up with; it means “installing software without our permission,” which we used to just call “installing software” (because you don’t need a manufacturer’s permission to install software on your computer).’ — Pluralistic: Darth Androidhttps://pluralistic.net/2025/09/01/fulu/ [^playprotect]: “Google Play Protect checks your apps and devices for harmful behavior”: https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/2812853

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[-] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

"Year of the Linux Phone" has a nice ring to it.

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Not for me, no. I love the sandboxing and permissions of android (GrapheneOS). Honestly, desktop OSs should learn from it. Also, android is a lot easier to use, especially on small form factor devices.

[-] sefra1@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago

Idk about GrapheneOS in particular but I find the sandboxing solutions for GNU/Linux like bubblewrap to be much more granular than standard Android.

"give us access to manage phone calls or we won't you me answer internet calls (which have nothing to do with actual SIM calls)", "give us access to all your files or we wont let you share that file via the share function (which doesn't need fs access to work)".

On GNU/Linux I can only give a program exactly the resources it needs, I can disallow dbus, I can block it from accessing potentially troublesome things like /dev/dri, can overlay filesystems and pretend that's my real home dir. Or can just mount the whole / to some other system.

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[-] damon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Hopefully they go to court to get an injunction. Hopefully, they also go to the powers that be in the EU, those same powers have been so focused on the Apple App Store they failed to take into account Google can do something like this with the Play Store. It would be a shame for the F-Droid project to end but it is completely avoidable.

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[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

I will literally go without a smartphone if Google does this, this is insane I would have bought an iphone if I wanted a junk device I don't actually own.

[-] Jinni@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

If this effects de-googled android, I will probably start investing in Linux phones.

I would rather have a limited phone than has full freedom than one that makes everyone go through Google.

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[-] Flatfire@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

The crazy part is this may make iOS the better alternative when considering the emergence of third-party app stores and Apple's loosening grip on their ecosystem.

LineageOS is still a good option too, for anyone who would prefer to keep the phone they have

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[-] goatinspace@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago
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[-] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Right now the only decently speced phone with mainline Linux support is the Oneplus 6, and the only one I can find is being sold for $2000

[-] Lightfire228@pawb.social 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There's the FairPhone 6, running e/OS, Which is a deGoogled port of android, running microG

https://murena.com/america/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairphone-6/

[-] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

If f-droid doesn't expect to survive I think the whole stack /e/OS relies on might eventually collapse (microg, lineage, ...).

[-] Lightfire228@pawb.social 5 points 1 week ago

I dunno how viable it is, but linux phones with waydroid is a thing

Also, I'd imagine that a small pocket of custom ROM amd root folks will still exist

Come hell or high water, i will retain control of my phone

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