It's about time all those math types learned to relax a bit. These numbers in these spreadsheets don't need to be exact all the time. It's really more about the overall flavor of the spreadsheet than how "right" any individual field is. Error bars are there for a reason people!
Vibe accounting
I mean, it's on brand with everything else these days: https://www.newsweek.com/how-much-trump-worth-depends-how-he-feels-384720
It's really more about the overall flavor of the spreadsheet than how "right" any individual field is.
Just like the Xerox copier/scanners that helpfully kept scanned images small by reusing parts of the image elsewhere. Like, all these 6s on your scanned invoices can totally be replaced with 8s. There's just a tiny degradation in the overall image, it shouldn't be a problem!
Xerox should have just called it AI compression and people would have been throwing money at them.
“Please calculate the totals to reflect a favourable result”
Sounds like what accountants do already
Accountants tally the numbers and hand you the totals. Twisting them is unethical and can lead to them losing their licenses.
Analysts manipulate the numbers to push a message. No ethics allowed.
Signed, an analyst raised by an accountant. Interacting with other analysts is infuriating.
Trillions of dollars to develop a calculator that's wrong sometimes.
AI Agents having access to the functionality of Excel means that they won’t be wrong with the actual calculations though, since it doesn’t do 5x10 in the LLM but instead uses excels built in functions to do it.
AI and excel are a match made in heaven tbh. Same with AI and databases.
I mean, most calculators are wrong quite often
this one is just wrongerer
No, the user is wrong quite often, the calculator gives the answer to the question asked, not the answer to the question the user wanted to ask.
Garbage in, garbage out.
I've never seen a calculator being wrong, and I'm genuinely curious what you're talking about.
Only when people use the wrong input, garbage in and garbage out.
In the same vein I can't think of any instance where excel had calculated things wrong unless there was a fault in the formula that I made.
That’s funny because I grew up with math teachers constantly telling us that we shouldn’t trust them.
Normal calculators that don’t have arbitrary precision have all the same problems you get when you use floating point types in a programming language. E.g. 0.1+0.2==0.3 evaluates to false in many languages. Or how adding very small numbers to very large numbers might result in the larger number as is.
If you’ve only used CAS calculators or similar you might not have seen these too since those often do arbitrary precision arithmetics, but the vast majority of calculators is not like that. They might have more precision than a 32 bit float though.
Now, that's a fine hair to be splitting.
Some computer scientists really went "we made a computer that is programmed in a different way and is sometimes correct" and these idiot corpos went "wow put it in everything"
Excel is the fucking backbone of Microsoft Office. It's solid and backwards compatible for a couple of decades. Excel is the one reason business sticks with Office. It never fails, everyone knows it, nothing can replace it. You cannot trust any other spreadsheet to perfectly translate if you move away from Excel. The world runs on Excel.
I never imagined Microsoft would fuck with Excel. Ever. There's a fairy tale about killing the golden goose, can't remember how it goes.
Just look what they're doing with their Xbox brand. One of the most well established brands in the most profitable entertainment sector and they are literally setting fire to it in every conceivable direction.
Microsoft must be taking business cues from GRRM... Kill all your main characters.
Forget Xbox, look at how they're treating Windows lately. Loaded with ads and bloat, forced hardware upgrades with Win11, forced MS account sign-in with no option for local accounts unless you're running one of the Enterprise/IoT SKUs....
I'm on Win11 and see almost none of the issues people like you are talking about. No doubt they exist! Maybe it's because I'm on a plain vanilla ISO and I stripped the crap out early on? Same SSD I had 4 computers ago on Win10, just get moving it over. Talk like yours makes me afraid of a fresh install!
If it's as bad as people say, I'll give up and go Debian. I was largely staying Windows so I could be familiar and support my coworkers. Unemployed now. Who cares?
yep. it's the one tool that is incredibly versatile in the workplace and for which I do not have a replacement
are there better tools? quite often. would those tools be able to be used by anybody opening the files you are sharing with them? nope. and keeping things in the same format means it's very easy to move data across files and link things up.
forms, trackers, calculations, data logging, all easy to reference/transfer to one another and I can expect anybody on my team to be able to work with files I send them without having to teach them how to use a different program
And you dare not risk your financial data when plotting a migration! Been there, done that, no one ever suggested moving from Excel to another product.
Everyone else who's anti-AI:
- What is that smell? It smells like a used diaper filled with Indian food!
- What is that?! It smells like a turd covered in burnt hair!
- It smells like Bigfoot's dick!
- What is that stench?! It smells like the inside of a fake leg!
$20 of the time
Did he just spend the first half of the article explaining why 'copilot in excel' (not agent mode) wasn't designed for calculation tasks, them finishes with complaining that on benchmarks it fails 80% of the time?
The 54% accuracy of agent mode should be called out, not the low accuracy of the thing that wasn't designed for it.
54% isn’t really low when people only get 72%.
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