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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago

If it sounds like a JDAM, causes fire damage like a JDAM, and is used against enemies of US vassals like a JDAM, it’s probably a run of the mill DIY Palestinian missile warhead that popped out when it got intercepted and oh so inconveniently landed right in the center of a hospital complex woopsie doopsie

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago

Russia uses its veto against a UN resolution condemning Hamas.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago

Tonnes of equipment moving videos in Iran right now. Going to the border.

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[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 63 points 1 year ago

https://archive.ph/1QPpK

The US Needs to Refill its Dangerously Low Oil Reserves

The government has let its crude stockpiles fall to levels that leave it exposed to any interruption in global supplies.

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[-] Sandinband@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago

Doctors drinking saline solution in Gaza sadness-abysmal

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago

Hezbollah : All statements of condemnation and denunciation are no longer enough, and we call on the peoples of our Arab and Islamic nation to take immediate action in the streets and squares to express intense anger and put pressure on governments and states wherever they are to take immediate action against the massacres.

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[-] IceWallowCum@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Btw, the chosen narrative seems to be:

  • Hamas is "holding Gaza hostage"

  • Gaza is in bad conditions due to neglect from Hamas

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[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Twitter | Nitter

Now that we have surpassed 7K comments, the Twelfth Imam, Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-Mahdi, shall reveal himself to the world.

https://hexbear.net/comment/4108717

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[-] Parzivus@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago
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[-] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago

Get ready to hear "Project 2025" ad nauseum. I've seen a few identical astroturfed social media posts trying to scare people into voting for Democrats. It's infuriating to think about how many people donated to Bernie in 2022 only to have that money spent for PR firms to underpay workers in the global south to copy and paste messages telling Americans they should be terrified to demand anything left of Joe Biden. Statistically a nonzero percentage of the Bernie money was just handed to the media agency managing BrooklynDadDefiant.

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[-] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago

I don't even know what to say. We all know the depravity of the Zionist entity, but bombing a fucking hospital? Initial reports say over 800 dead. There is no hell deep enough. And nobody does a thing.

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[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago

Most believable Zionist propaganda:

While the leaders of Hamas are living luxurious lives enjoying good lives, they ask you to sacrifice yourselves and your children.
Hamas doesn't care for the Palestinians.

Courtesy of this Israeli genius

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[-] sempersigh@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago

They just struck a mosque in the West Bank

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[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago

if you are losing hope, just think for a moment about how many of the 1.8 billion muslims are en route for occupied Palestine right now. How many of them know how to fight with guerrilla and irregular warfare. How many volunteers are filling the ranks of any militant organization handing out weaponry or recruiting and promising to march to Al Qods.

Even though we will witness the terrible and tragic suffering of the Palestinian people in the short term, Israel will not just get away with this. Even if they expel and kill all Palestinians there will be consequences in the long run. Normalization is not on the menu for decades, and Turkey will not be standing with NATO on this.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago

French President Macron is postponing a trip to Israel planned for Tuesday at Netanyahu's request.

This is probably a bad sign. If Netanyahu is postponing Macron I suspect it's because they're starting the ground op, or have something major that is happening.

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[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago

smuglord Have you considered that the Hulk might have fallen from space and onto the hospital?

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago
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[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago

If biden-fall croaks during this war, volcel-kamala becomes president, and there's no speaker of the house next in line during one of the most crazy moments in modern history.

If they appoint cheeto-man to speaker, he becomes VP.

America would have a President that didn't even get a single delegate and a VP from an opposition party snuck in through the back door.

Don't tell me that's not what the porky-happy are talking about in the backrooms.

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[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago

Watching videos of Bibi promising to annex parts of the West Bank during his last campaign and hearing the Blowback song start playing in my head.

[-] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago

Checking the old thread and seeing it closed down before 10,000 replies 1984

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

1000 nazis held up the Russian military at the Azovstal plant in Mariupol for 3 months due to the tunnels there.

vs

40,000 hamas fighters with tunnels they've spent decades preparing

Azovstal had 24km of tunnels, supposedly 5% of Gaza's tunnels.

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago
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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

Yougov poll finds 8% of the UK public support Israel's ongoing war in Gaza being backed by the British government.

76% think there should be a ceasefire.

66% of likely voters agree that the U.S. should call for a ceasefire and de-escalation of violence in Gaza to prevent civilian deaths.

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[-] anticlockwise@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

Trudeau not ready to accept U.S. finding that Palestinian militants' rocket was behind Gaza hospital blast (!!!)

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Thursday that Canadian officials are still reviewing evidence about the Gaza hospital blast that killed and maimed many Palestinian civilians and he's not prepared to say who's responsible.

That's a departure from what U.S. President Joe Biden and American national security services have said about the explosion.

"We are working closely with allies to determine exactly what happened," Trudeau told a press conference with Caribbean leaders in Ottawa when asked if he accepted the Israeli version of events that has since been endorsed by the U.S. government.

[https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-hospital-blast-gaza-1.7001656]

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[-] Trustmeitsnotabailou@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Folks

They are saying it

It's on my ig, it's on my tik tok

Genocidian Biden

The kids, folks

Even the kids are saying it

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[-] Salmarez@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Nobel Peace Prize winning, warmongering old fossil finally kicked the bucket!

Sorry, not Kissinger. It's Martti Ahtisaari, former president of Finland.

Guy got his prize for 30 years of brokering peace, the saddest example when he supported the NATO attacks on Kosovo and took part in the negotiations after. Better yet, he also defended the Iraq War and was an all-in NATO fanboy. When he was criticized for this two facedness, he called the critics Stalinists.

Dude also loved austerity and of course, Israel. All in all, your usual social democrat! Rest in piss, loser!

crab-party rip-bozo-grave hexcrab-party

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[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

"We sure give Egypt a bunch of money so that they don't attack Israel."

Another Ivy League Idiot.

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[-] sempersigh@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

It’s even fucking worse than what I predicted earlier the Israeli bullshit narrative is the first thing you read

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[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

"Are you telling me Israel "accidentally" attacked you and you didn't shut down the Suez Canal?"

[-] Leper_Messiah@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

Death to america, death to isreal and death to every slimy fuck in reddit-logo who are bending over backwards to justify this shit

Some days it's really hard to not let the misanthropy win

[-] S4ck@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm American like a lot of us here and I just feel.....so purposeless. How am I supposed to go about my day like normal knowing that these atrocities are being carried out in my name? I have lost all faith in every institution of the United States. The only thing I care about here is my friends and family. Everything else can fucking go. I'm done. Fuck this shit.

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[-] ChairmanSpongebob@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The hospital bombing, subsequent denials, and qualifications by the Israeli state really sharpens what has been true this entire time: Fascism is in control of the Israeli state. We've seen many Israeli's, even those with kidnapped or killed family members call for peace; but it is out of their hands, and has been for a long time. The real reason for this ongoing terror-bombing is not "justice for the murdered Israeli settlers" or even restoring security, Fascism doesn't care about the lives of it's own citizens; the real reason is that the Fascist state must put down it's rebellious colonial subjects. And that drive is suicidal. The damage the Hamas militants did to it's ego, it's belief in it's own self-justified superiority, must be avenged.

There is no diplomacy with that- only a reckoning. There will never be peace again until the Israeli state is dismantled, and they will not scale back this carnage even as the barbarity of it sees the light of day; even if Biden pulls back on aid (I doubt he would), they are unleashed.

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[-] Goblinmancer@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mass murderer who gloats about their murders except for one murder they specifically deny.

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[-] Sasuke@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

Exclusive: ‘Mutiny Brewing’ Inside State Department Over Israel-Palestine Policy

Morale is low, and some staffers are preparing to formally express their opposition to President Joe Biden's approach, officials told HuffPost.

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[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Middle East Observer via Twitter:

Mcdonalds in #Turkey has now been stormed by demonstrators denouncing the crimes of the occupation in #Gaza.

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[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe it’s not intentional, not sure, but it seems like news about Palestine is starting to get a bit more buried in US news - now that Biden and the security state have stated unequivocally that Israel didn’t blow up a hospital. No need to discuss further, let’s move on.

GOP drama along with Sidney Powell bullshit seems to have overtaken it. And on CNN’s website, Palestine has barely more visibility than news about Joran van der Sloot; with news about Taylor Swift and Britney Spears gaining fast.

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

Could everybody post sources to what you're quoting? Nobody should trust a quote without a source.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago
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[-] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

CNN reporting that IDF says the hospital blast was caused by Hamas

This is hell, we’re getting a front row seat to genocide happening right before our eyes, but all we can do is watch because we don’t have the propaganda arm of the media on our side

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

https://streamable.com/z5d6p0

Thousands of Iranians have gathered in Palestine Square in Tehran, protestors shout 'death to Israel'

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[-] Hohsia@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

NBC reporting on a guy from New York’s “going back home” to fight with the IDF

Millions of boomers tune in every day before jeopardy to uncritically consume this propaganda. Really sickening stuff

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