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Hello World,

as some of you might be aware, there have been various accusations against one of our former community team members, Jordan Lund.

We have removed Jordan as a member of our community team a week ago, on 23rd of September, due to various behavior that we do not consider acceptable for a member of our team. We haven't posted about this earlier, as we're still in the progress of reviewing and making decisions, and we originally expected to be able to conclude this earlier, within a time frame where we could have presented the final outcome in the first post.

During his time with Lemmy.World, Jordan has been helping out our team with various admin-level tasks, as well as moderating a few large communities, including !news@lemmy.world, !world@lemmy.world and !politics@lemmy.world. As far as we can tell, most of his actions, including moderation actions, were in alignment with both our instance rules and also rules and spirit of the affected communities.

Unfortunately, this does not apply to all his actions. We have identified multiple cases of conduct that do not align with what we expect from members of our team. We currently do not have any explicit rules or code of conduct for our community team or other team members like instance admins on top of our ToS/bylaws, as we expected to have a common understanding of acceptable behavior. In the past we already had discussions with Jordan about some of this behavior and we believed that to be enough at that time. Going forward, we will be working on a code of conduct applicable to all members of our team, including community team and anyone above.

Being a member of our community team provides additional privileges for selected members, such as the ability to appoint community moderators, update our community spotlight or even banning users. In Jordan's case this included permissions to appoint community moderators and ban users from the instance.

As of today, we are not aware of misuse of these additional privileges. Once we have reviewed other actions taken by Jordan we will also review these types of actions taken by Jordan in the recent past. If you believe that you or someone else was incorrectly banned from Lemmy.World, you're welcome to appeal your ban by reaching out to our team. As we currently have some technical issues with our ticket system, I recommend sending an email to report at lemmy dot world for the time being, visting our Matrix room #general:lemmy.world or reaching out to @MrKaplan@lemmy.world directly, also possible via Matrix at @mrkaplan:lemmy.world.

Following our instance rules, we have a few cases in which we may remove community moderators from their communities:

  1. Grossly committing a violation of the Terms of Service
  2. Acting repeatedly against the local community rules
  3. Extended periods of inactivity, as evident by lack of public interaction and/or failure to respond to reports

We are still discussing whether we consider his behavior a "gross violation of our ToS", as there are definitely some arguments to be made in favor of that. This includes for example using incorrect gendered pronouns, which we will update in our ToS in the coming days to make it more clear to everyone that this will not be tolerated. Due to his previous and current position we are still discussing what our final resolution to this issue will be as far as instance rules are concerned. Whether or not a person is trolling does not justify using incorrect pronouns for them. We have also informed Jordan that we expect his behavior in this regard to change immediately.

We're currently also in conversations with other moderators of communities moderated by Jordan to review their position on his behavior within their communities and whether they believe that his actions in those communities were appropriate and in line with the community rules. As a reminder, the order of community moderators in the sidebar has direct impact on the moderator hierarchy, where a moderator listed earlier is able to remove any moderators later in the list. This means even if an action might not (yet) be taken by instance admins, other community moderators may be able to remove moderators if they're no longer desired to be part of the team. Especially community rules about civility and respectful conduct do not appear to have been followed in a number of cases, and we are reviewing with the community moderators whether this is in line with other content they would usually moderate/not moderate.

It should also be noted that not all things reported to us are actually or clearly violating our rules, even if we may not agree with them. For example, we currently do not have rules about moderators removing other people's arguments, especially as "misinformation", to strengthen their own misguided arguments, and then continue to accuse the other side of misinformation later on. We do expect our team members to not use positions of power to "win arguments" or falsely accuse others of misinformation, when this isn't actually the case. Therefore, while this example is not something we tolerate for members of our team, having this happen on community level (by a person who isn't also holding a role above community mod at that time) is currently not something we are enforcing.

Once we have worked out a CoC for members of our team, we will post about this separately and also gather community feedback on whether you believe that enforcement of that (or parts of it, or more things) should also include moderators of Lemmy.World communities.

Additionally, we will also be looking at expanding our community team a bit in the near future, as we have both lost some people over time and recently also Jordan. We will also be posting about this separately, currently expected to be in a few weeks, with a description of expectations and responsibilities.

We will also be updating this post over the coming days until we have finished our review and actions.


Update 2025-10-06 01:27 UTC:

After reviewing various comments and actions by Jordan, he has received a warning, especially relating to following our rules at https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#1-attacks-on-people-or-groups. Going forward, if we see additional violations of our rules, especially when it comes to attacking others, we will consider additional consequences in the form of a temporary or permanent ban. If you still see Jordan's behaving in ways violating our ToS, please report this directly to us, e.g. through a pm to @lwreport@lemmy.world. We always review messages received by this account in our team.

In line with our current rules about potentially removing community moderators, we have reviewed the communities Jordan is currently a moderator in:

  1. !politics@lemmy.world: This community has active moderators above Jordan Lund, such as @aidan@lemmy.world.
  2. !news@lemmy.world This community has active moderators above Jordan Lund, such as @JonsJava@lemmy.world.
  3. !world@lemmy.world: We have moved Jordan from being top moderator to being bottom moderator. New top moderator is @Tenthrow@lemmy.world.
  4. !business@lemmy.world: No other active mods
  5. !comicbooks@lemmy.world: No other active mods
  6. !portland_oregon@lemmy.world: No other active mods
  7. !thepoliceproblem@lemmy.world: We have moved Jordan from being top moderator to being bottom moderator. New (active) top moderator is @JonsJava@lemmy.world.
  8. !hottubs@lemmy.world: No other active mods
  9. !keeptrack@lemmy.world: No other active mods

Any community moderator above Jordan will be able to remove him from his moderator position, should they decide that he is not a good fit for the community. It is up to those community moderators whether they want to keep him on the team.

We generally intend to limit our involvement in community moderation to enforcement of instance rules. Without disallowing other community mods to add Jordan back as a moderator, there would also not be much impact of removing him entirely, as they could just add him back right away. If you do not agree with the rules in a community or the way it is moderated, it's always possible to look for alternative communities with different rules, different mods, or creating your own community.

Having said this, we're still working on our team CoC, and will be gathering community feedback in a standalone post to determine whether we should enforce additional standards for community moderators.

Our review of Jordan's delegated admin actions (instance bans) are still pending. Unless we find evidence of this having been abused, we we do not currently expect additional consequences to arise from this.

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[-] Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 weeks ago

Following our instance rules, we have a few cases in which we may remove community moderators from their communities:

  1. Grossly committing a violation of the Terms of Service

Alright so I looked at those Terms of Service.

1.1 - Attacks on People? Check. He's repeatedly gone out of his way to harass people as demonstrated both via his modlog and the litany of comments he's left on YPTB

1.2 - Discrimination of Minorities? Check as demonstrated by the fact that he's been banned from the entirety of blahaj for transphobic behavior.

3 - System Disruption? Arguable considering he's permanently ruined any credibility that /c/News and /c/World had and has driven so many users to actively avoid lemmy.world at all possible costs. Myself included now.

8 - Misinformation? Check. Removing someones post for a lack of understanding is one thing but you said that you (Admins) talked to Jordan about his behavior on the Canadian thing. Meaning that you knew it was wrong and had told him it was wrong. He repeatedly and continually doubles down on that specific thing. That is misinformation. Misinformation that is then being enforced with the abilities of a moderator. Which also then slides into 1.1 - Attacks on People as he's actively lying and punishing a dude when he did nothing wrong.

We are still discussing whether we consider his behavior a “gross violation of our ToS”, as there are definitely some arguments to be made in favor of that.

At this stage there are no valid arguments to be made against it. The evidence is overwhelming and has been piling up for months and months and months and months and months.

This is a complete no brainer. You have admins of other trusted instances refusing to have anything to do with him. You've got whole swaths of users that are outright boycotting Lemmy.world as a whole and I'm not talking about my random dumb ass. I mean for literal years I've been asked why I set up on Lemmy.world. This entire experience has not done anything to sway anyones fears but has done a lot to reconfirm them.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Incidentally, tiny data point - I'm fairly active here and this is the first I've heard of any of this. And in general the only times I've seen him has been what seemd like good mod behavior.

Not saying any of this didnt happen, he shouldn't be removed, etc. Just that it definitely hasn't been obvious to everyone.

[-] Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago

No but it was obvious to the admins. That's the important thing here. This information has been kicked back to the top for a while now. I made a post pointing out a ton of things he did. Dudes list of crimes is so long I left a ton out of that post.

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[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 week ago

It's one of those things where it was more evident when interactions happened in a space he didn't moderate or where couldn't get things removed.

Pattern is usually:

  • starts out nice
  • if gets questioned 1st response nice but occasionally unrelated answer
  • if still questioned tangents and increasingly escalates tone when answering
  • proven wrong using their own words or rules they would go on attack then be silent.
  • if still continues on a location they mod will then try to find reason to ban
[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

As a reminder, I'll donate to .world's servers if they remove him as a mod before the end of September 2025, UTC.

How many rules does he need to break as a mod before they do something?

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Sorry I'm a casual user, I know a little about this person, but do you mind clarifying the Canadian thing?

[-] Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

So in Canada we use different political terms than the Americans do. One of these is usage of the word 'Government'. In the US, Government applies to the whole general moving structure of the United States. In Canada the word Government applies to the ruling party specifically in much the same way that Americans use the word 'Administration'. Jordan was not aware of this.

A user commented that a particular person was not a Member of Government, referring to the fact that they were not in the party that currently forms the Government of Canada. Jordan Lund removed this as 'Misinformation', claiming that the particular person was an elected member of parliament so calling them not a member of government was flat out misinformation. Important point to note is this was on the World News community. An American with incomplete information about something removed a comment under the guise of misinformation that was about another country. Personally? This is kind of annoying. But it dropped into rage inducing territory when he repeatedly doubled down.

The comment removed:

Unfortunately, this guy isn’t even a member of the government. He’s a backbencher in our third biggest political party. OK enough guy as far as I know, people in the NDP usually are, but he’s basically a nobody. Calling him a “lawmaker” is about as generous as they could get.

Even through context alone it should have been made clear how the word government was being used but Jordan was either incapable of grasping that or refused to. He was called out on it and doubled down on his stance. Multiple users educated him on the subject but he refused to engage with anything that proved him wrong (this is a continuous problem of his). Months later he said the same thing again. Again, multiple users proved him wrong. Once again, he refused to engage.

A couple of weeks ago, I made a rather large post that detailed numerous things that he has done. Like a ton. In the comments, someone brought up the Canadian thing again to an admin of LW named MrKaplan. Kaplan said

[...] we have already discussed topics like the Canadian politics one with him in the past, as we also don’t consider it acceptable what he did back then. Source

3 hours later, Jordan again doubled down.

They doubled down, with the idea that even though they are elected and can vote, they don’t count as a member of government because they aren’t part of the ruling party. Which is utter and complete nonsense. They are getting a government paycheck, they are a “member of government.” Source

Small sidebar but the Wikipedia page for the Government of Canada says this:

Under Canada's Westminster-style parliamentary democracy, the terms government and Government of Canada refer specifically to the prime minister, Cabinet, and other members of the governing party inside the House of Commons, but typically includes the federal public service and federal departments and agencies when used elsewhere.[7] This differs from the United States, where the executive branch is referred to as an administration and the federal government encompasses executive, legislative, and judicial powers, similar to the Canadian Crown. Source

In that moment Jordan proved one of two things. Either that the admins had never actually talked about the issue to him or (more likely) that he did not believe that he did anything wrong so he ignored anything that was told to him.

He does not accept differing information than that of what he believes, he moderates through an American lens and refuses to take the differences of other countries into account and he repeatedly doubles down on an inaccurate retelling of events as well as an inaccurate definition of the term Government inside of Canada. Doubling down even when an admin publicly says he's wrong.

This single event alone proves that he is incapable of impartial moderation of /c/World and needs to be immediately removed. Months of this going on and months of this insisting he's correct while admins publicly say he isn't. It was this specific inaction by the Admins of Lemmy.world that caused me to move off of the instance. I couldn't tolerate them willfully accepting American misinformation about Canadian politics being pushed on a WorldNews community. This entire release saying that they're going to look into things and then decide is, frankly, a joke. He was publicly contradicting something the Admins privately told him and doing the thing they told him not to. They have the ammo they need to from just this one moment stretched over the course of months.

He won't listen to them and follow the basic rules they laid out yet they will not remove him while he actively violates the TOS of Lemmy.world. At that point there is no justification for the inaction of Admins. Absolutely none. I grant time needed to review, sure, but it's been essentially 2 weeks since I made that post public in which they said they were already reviewing his behavior for days. Half of a month is not needed for this decision and I can't stomach this any longer.

[-] Blaze@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Those write ups are really top notch

[-] Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

I wanted to be a journalist as a kid and then wanted to be a news anchor. Might explain a whole lot about my voice and writing style now, huh? lol

But thank you <3

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Thank you so very much for the detailed write up, I appreciate the time you put into this!

[-] Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

Hey, you asked <3

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

Edit: It’s been 5 days. No update to this post. Yeah… something is definitely gonna happen alright.

They're just ignoring it because they want us to forgive their constant mistakes. Just like how someday they'll explain why they wanted lemmy.world to host conspiracy theory content.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 week ago

any day now something will happen according to them. https://lemmy.world/comment/19706101

Of course seeing as the only lw higher up who had commented there before behaved exactly like JL expections are 0

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

Any day now he'll face consequences after months of issues... Any day now...

[-] lupus_blackfur@mastodon.world 1 points 1 week ago

@goferking0 @eugenevdebs
@Stamets
@lwadmin

Interesting thread...

Wondering if this or similar issue has something/anything to do with my bad experience/perception of Lemmy [.world in particular] and why I was put off and no longer participate... 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Mod(s) actions were a significant factor for me...

🤔🤔🤔

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 week ago

It's still amazing but unsurprising they only commented to link here.

https://lemmy.world/post/35918814

This entire post here is just an announcement to say they removed him from a position people didn't think was still a thing or didn't know about, then PR to give them an out if nothing happens.

Even in this post they get an out from their users saying it's fine because they didn't see it or ignore the comm completely cause they think it's just a hate place.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

Look we didn't care then, we don't care now. We removed him from a community no on uses, keeping him on the ones that make us have to clean up from his messes, what's the big problem with that? We did our job. Now shut up or you're banned.

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[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 weeks ago

I like the transparency on lemmy.world around this sort of thing.

I also appreciate that volunteer admins / mods of suitable calibre must be tough to find. It seems to me that the type of people who would make good mods just wouldn't be interested in the role.

IDK what lemmy.world's community team is?

Also, it's not really clear what role JL presently has, if any. Like if he was removed from the community team does he still have other responsibilities ?

[-] MrKaplan@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Jordan no longer has any responsibilities or privileges beyond being a community moderator at this time.

The original description of our community teams can be found here, but over time this has changed a bit. We're looking to have this more clearly defined again and are talking to the two active members of the team to figure out a good way forward. Currently, this includes for example reviewing communities with unresolved reports that keep piling up, trying to find new moderators for those communities, and it can also include helping out with instance bans to provide more coverage throughout the day when trolls or spammers show up.

As far as transparency is concerned, there's still a lot of room for improvement, especially on the timing aspect. We've also had more reports in the past about Jordan, but they were either resulting in internal conversations or not necessarily enough to take further actions.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

His actions as a community moderator are what everyone has a problem with.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

It's literally the problem that everyone has. God .world is just incapable of reading the room.

[-] expr@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

Why the fuck is he still a mod? He's a well-known fascist and bigot. You should remove him as a moderator immediately. It's pretty fucking obvious to everyone but you, apparently.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

Almost like .world likes that he has those qualities...

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[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

Him being the mod is the reason you keep cleaning up his messes. It's the reason you needed to make this post.

[-] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

I would love to know what the issues were or which post raised those concerns, because I am missing context.

[-] MrKaplan@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

it's a range of private and public reports, some of the public ones can be found in !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com.

[-] ccunning@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Off instance? Like they got banned for things they did on another instance?

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not sure if I'm understanding you correctly.

That community contains several posts about JL's behavior, like this one:

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/53505862

Some of the issues did occur in posts / communities on other instances.

[-] ccunning@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah I don’t make a habit of going off instance so that was just my initial reaction to seeing the url.

I did eventually follow the link and read enough of one of the posts to get the idea.

[-] Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This link will keep you on Lemmy.World, if you so wish. Handy tool in general. Lemmyverse.link

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You're really limiting yourself there. The whole idea is that you're connected with a bunch of other instances where you can see things that aren't hosted on your instance.

That's kind of like saying you only visit art galleries that are in New York, because that's where you live. There's a lot of great stuff there, sure, but you're missing out. And in this analogy, you have a free ticket to a bunch of other cities with interesting art galleries of their own.

[-] MrKaplan@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

that community primarily is people reporting on behavior of moderators that they disagree with

[-] Nima@leminal.space 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

its more of a community that functions like "AITA" (am I the asshole?) where they list the ban and reason and ask if the community believes the ban was justified or not.

the post detailing the behavior or jordan lund was actually not within the true rules of the community, but was allowed considering just how many jordan lund posts had been made in the entirety of the community.

he is quite notorious everywhere for his extreme moderation habits. stamets was just detailed enough to put time into documenting as much of that behavior as was possible in a single post.

considering that lemmy world is a sort of catch-all for a lot of first time lemmy users, its reasonable to be concerned by such extreme moderation.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

You can't expect the .world admin team to be accurate about another instance, they don't even understand how their moderators operate.

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[-] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I would take any and everything you see in YPTB with the largest grains of salt. Most of the posts there are from frequent flyers apparently unaware and unable to see that they are the problem. The comments to those are from similar frequent flyers. Basically every post there is framed to make OP entirely the victim and often are turned into some kind of conspiracy-laden narrative about the mod(s) involved. Frankly, YPTB and similar communities are beyond redemption, IMO.

I will admit I do not know (nor particularly care to know) the specifics of this case, but some of the communities Jordan mods are targets for some of the worst people in this place, and he's only human. So don't crucify me if there's some egregious offense I'm ignorant of and don't take this statement as a direct defense of that. I'm merely pointing out that the guy takes a LOT of abuse from some real, uh, how do I put this charitably...."characters".

Lemmy, of late, has lost many of its more rational voices, so please keep that in mind and exercise caution when asking the inmates what they think about the rules of the asylum.

[-] KombatWombat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

You can find plenty of examples of users who deserved their punishment, and plenty where the mod was power tripping, and plenty where both parties were out of line. A mod being accused of something in a post doesn't imply they're guilty of it, only that the poster thinks so. It's like a public forum where people can bring attention to alleged abuse of power when they might otherwise be silenced by an imbalanced power dynamic.

As a means of holding mods or even admins accountable, I consider it to be one of the most important communities across all Lemmy instances. I also find the drama personally entertaining.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 week ago

So they should ignore Jordan's own comments there?

https://lemmy.world/post/35918814

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[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago

As a reminder, the order of community moderators in the sidebar has direct impact on the moderator hierarchy, where a moderator listed earlier is able to remove any moderators later in the list.

A reminder that mod order does not always federate correctly, so you may need to head to LW to see it correctly.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

oh man, thank god. dude was a shitstain of a mod and never applied rules unilaterally.

same kind of shit mods that made Reddit what it is today.

guess I can unblock the communities he was a mod in now, but they're probably dead anyway.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Personally I don't think mods who shield someone like UniversalMonk for months should be allowed to mod.

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