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What is a Wrecker according to Hexbear mods? (midwest.social)
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cross-posted from: https://midwest.social/post/36729179

I got banded from ~~Hexbear~~ (I am dumb) a Hexbear community. Not that I am super sad about it. More confused...

This is the post that did me in: https://midwest.social/post/36684138/20435030

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Nothing will change if you don't believe it can. If all this does is delay fascism for a day. That's one less day of people dying and suffering for really stupid and avoidable reasons. Seriously, what's the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me bummed out and not vote? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Yes, I agree. This is simply a stop gap measure. I'm not saying to stop doing all the other stuff like protesting and organizing. Voting is just one afternoon. For some people it's really easy to do, it's way easier than other stuff that you're probably already doing. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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I thought roe v wade was gone because Obama did kick Mitch McConnell in the nutz for not doing his job and appointing his supreme Court judge. What did Biden do to row v wade? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Cuz I don't need to engage with your material. This is sooooooo simple. Just vote for the guy who is less fascist. Are you confused about whether fascism is bad? Guess what? It's bad! Lots of innocent people dying bad. Are you confused about which presidential candidate is the least fascist? That would be Biden. You should vote for him. Everyone should vote for him in this next election. This is your 100th chance to not come off as a fascist supporter. You better take it! by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Define failed practice? What do you think would have happened if Biden had lost the last election to Trump? Four years of Trump almost tore this country to pieces. I'm sorry fighting is hard. I'm not asking you to be pro-democrat. I'm just asking you not to doomer everyone into not voting at all. Guess what? Fascists vote and they organize and they don't get doomer about this stuff. If you're not going to help then get out of the way. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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First of all, you're confusing me with somebody who likes the Democrats. I don't. I don't like either party. Second of all, why the hell are you acting like there's a third choice between a Democrat and Republican? When was the last time an independent candidate came even close to winning? We currently only have two choices for president. I beg of you or anyone else that is reading this. Please vote for the less fascist one. Again, I don't like this. But acting like there's absolutely no difference between Biden and Trump is the the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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I know! So simple right? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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reason: west purginia, mountain mama (lib :farquaad-point:)

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If you have the numbers to start a violent revolution. You have the numbers to do reform. Unless you plan on dying a glorious death with no change in outcome. I'm not saying electoralism is the only answer. Keep protesting. Keep organizing. Keep spreading information. Do you know what would give you more time to build that revolutionary army? If Biden was president for four more years. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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I don't need to prove that Biden opposes fascism. I just have to prove the other candidate would be more fascist. We only have two choices. This should be really simple. Pick the one that's less fascist. Why is this so hard for you? Are you unsure which president would cause a less fascist outcome between Biden and Trump? This is really simple, it's Biden, vote Biden! Voting is one afternoon. Waiting in a line. Filling out a ballot. I know it sucks. Your feelings are valid. Vote Biden because fascism is bad. Do you know who's not going to vote Biden. All the fascists. They're going to be voting for whoever the Republican candidate is. Do you know who they really want? They want Hitler2 for president. Do you know what they're not doing? Complaining about that and doomering over it. This is incredibly simple. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what's the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what's the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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You just want to shoot people. You want people to die due to fascism. So that you can LARP as a revolutionary soldier. Listen if a violent revolution was going to be successful. Liberal democracy would have turned the USA into socialism by now. If you're going to start a revolution, you have to make sure you have more than 50% of the population on your side, at a minimum. The more population on your side the less death will occur. If more than 50% of the population agrees with you, democracy will work just fine. No need to murder bone. Unless you want to. In which case none of this conversation makes any difference. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Yes, do all of that! And vote! Voting is pretty easy compared to the other things on that list. Do what you can. Do all of them if you can. I don't like the Democrats. I don't like saying that we should support the Democrats. But the Democrats are right now the least fascist of the two parties that we have to pick between. I am acting smug, because it appears to me this group has some whiny babies who can't vote. Seriously, how can you fight fascists in the street and then just not vote? I think voting would be really easy compared to fighting fascists. Convincing cucked liberals to vote for Biden is a nice baby step for them. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Okay if you believe all that then shut up. Die quietly and let everyone else die fighting. All you're doing is spread doomer bullshit that isn't helping anyone. If you want to stop being miserable. Join the fight! by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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reason: Wrecker.

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Wow, this whole post is psy op. Vote Biden people! The only other option will be a fascist or fascist enabler. I don't like it anymore than you do. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: No.

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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 2 months ago

Technically a "Wrecker" is someone who goes into communities to "wreck" them in some way. Alienate people from each other, disrupt cohesion and so on. Unfortunately hexbears tend to stretch that meaning in order to ban people who say things they don't like. For example they've labeled myself as a "wrecker" because I reject "leftist unity" (i.e. unity between marxist-leninists and anarchists). Don't take it too seriously, they just wanted to ban you from their comms, and that was the only excuse they could find because they don't like pro-electoral politic arguments.

[-] deaf_fish@midwest.social 10 points 2 months ago

Thanks for the detailed comment. I don't plan on taking it too seriously. The comments that weren't banned show that it isn't a serious place. At least I have a good reason not to interact with that server anymore. The only reason I comment there is in the hopes that some see the hypocrisy and get to a better place.

[-] cm0002@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago

Surprised they didn't label it "Debate pervert", that's another one I seen them throw around for similar reasons lol

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It would be rich seeing them label people like that given their debate pervertry in anarchist meme comms.

[-] Aljernon@lemmy.today 6 points 2 months ago

Anarchists: Workers don't control the means of production if the government does

MLs: Ban Hammer

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[-] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Brah, these are some bored teenagers roleplaying as communists online. Case in point: no one up comes with random BS like "wrecker" IRL.

The ones who are not teenagers are demagogues who are shitposting.

[-] deaf_fish@midwest.social 13 points 2 months ago

I can't upvote this enough.

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 months ago

Yup. Actual activists are organizing and taking action. Online shitposters are slacktivists at best.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 points 2 months ago

i call them inactivists.

[-] Aljernon@lemmy.today 7 points 2 months ago

In Anarchist circles, there are some people who worry about theory and there are some people who worry about keeping the community pantry stocked. The Communists I see online tend to devote most of their attention to theory.

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Nothing will change if you don't believe it can. If all this does is delay fascism for a day. That's one less day of people dying and suffering for really stupid and avoidable reasons. Seriously, what's the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me bummed out and not vote? by deaf_fish @negativenull@lemm.ee

Individual votes have no value. It was Biden and Kamala's fault for not campaigning on good policies. Hexbear's (or leftist) stance on whether or not to vote for him doesn't change this.

Also, Biden is directly responsible for deaths of hundreds of thousands of people by aiding Israel, and Democrats are responsible for many more domestic deaths by the way of social murder especially considering they had majority control for some time. That Trump may kill more doesn't change this fact.

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[-] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That would be Biden. You should vote for him. Everyone should vote for him in this next election.

Okay, I followed your advice and I voted for biden so hard last election, though I thought it was kind of weird how I needed to write him in.

spoiler(^BTW this very comment is a good example of wrecker behavior, see how annoying it is? you're welcome)

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 2 months ago

That's more flippancy instead of wrecker, so most of !flippanarchy. It doesn't really split people or create kinda-believable arguments that are actually about minutiae.

[-] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

yeah you're right, I'm not actually a good wrecker lol

[-] deaf_fish@midwest.social 6 points 2 months ago

Those discussions were before the the switch to Harris. Although the same logic still applies.

The mods of this place are rightly nudging me not to rehash political discussions. If you want to continue this conversion, feel free to DM me.

[-] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Nah I don't really want to talk about electoralism either. We do that enough amongst ourselves lol. But you seem earnest enough so I'll give you an effort post about this.

Not a mod, but probably the reason you were labeled a wrecker is saying stuff like "You just want to shoot people. You want people to die due to fascism" and "This is your 100th chance to not come off as a fascist supporter." "this whole post is psy op"

like there you are, you're lying and slandering us. all you're missing is a part where you call us Russian bots or Cee-Cee-Pee agents. We've heard it all. We don't need or want to hear it again. It's boring and annoying to us.

Here's how I see your core problem, if you will allow me to try to read your mind and put some words in your mouth like you did to my comrades a couple years ago: you liberals understandably feel powerless about this decay affecting the nation, the world. Your politicians, political systems, who could supposedly do something about it seem completely unaccountable and inaccessible, or if they aren't they usually only provide lame excuses. Now you don't have to accept this framing they provide, we don't, but you largely do.

But this feeling of powerlessness and anxiety you have is still there, so to ameliorate this you target those who are accessible, the annoying tankies who love arguing on the internet, thinking if you sway us into "getting with the program" and supporting Kamala you are doing something productive, coalition building, deradicalizing, whatever you want to call it to feel good- you are taking back control.

But this is a fiction, what you and I are doing here, posting, its basically entertainment with a dash of socializing. Nothing we are saying here matters to the enormous forces governing all of our lives, if hexbear.net dropped an offical endorsement for the democrats Trump would still be president. Even trump himself, for all his dictatorial ambitions and constant media presence, is pissing in the wind of forces beyond his control- history, economics, civilizational inertia. No one can control them, we're all along for the ride. Read some Marxist theory if you want the specifics.

We posters on hexbear try not to worry about this lack of control, and just want to have a good time with our leftie friends while we're here, that's what social media is for. And fun for us also includes dogpiling on randoms drifting in and scolding us about it. But when it becomes not fun anymore and they crash out, call us slurs or fascists, etc we just ban them and get back to it. We call this wrecking because we think it's a funny term to use basically. You don't have to worry about we think about you, and you don't have to think we're funny, but I certainly think that our way is more personally fulfilling than engaging in the same argument again and again on twitter yelling at funhouse mirrors and bots hoping that it will achieve anything.

TLDR: wrecking is killing the vibe, we're all just posting, don't let it stress you out.

[-] deaf_fish@midwest.social 6 points 2 months ago

Great, sorry for wrecking the vibe. The language used against me seemed to indicate there was something more serious going on. Even now I am having several more nuanced discussions with others at Hexbear.

As for calling people fascist I just want to lay this popular reply from the post I got banned from: https://midwest.social/post/36684138/20421459

Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism.

So it kind of seems like Hexbear can give it, but not take it.

[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism

That is a quote from J. V. Stalin and his writing entitled Concerning the International Situation:

Firstly, it is not true that fascism is only the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. Fascism is not only a military-technical category. Fascism is the bourgeoisie’s fighting organisation that relies on the active support of Social-Democracy. Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism. There is no ground for assuming that the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of Social-Democracy. There is just as little ground for thinking that Social-Democracy can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. These organisations do not negate, but supplement each other. They are not antipodes, they are twins. Fascism is an informal political bloc of these two chief organisations; a bloc, which arose in the circumstances of the post-war crisis of imperialism, and which is intended for combating the proletarian revolution. The bourgeoisie cannot retain power without such a bloc. It would therefore be a mistake to think that “pacifism” signifies the liquidation of fascism. In the present situation, “pacifism” is the strengthening of fascism with its moderate, Social-Democratic wing pushed into the forefront.

Please don't hesitate to read the whole text; it should only take you about 40 minutes to do so. This isn't some phrase that manifested out of thin air. It has historical context, and it is still applicable today. As I have come to describe the situation in the states, Democrats are the carrot, and Republicans are the stick. Democrats trod out small concessions or the hope of small concessions, while the Republicans meet no resistance in their aim to roll back reforms. As some liberals have taken to calling it, "The Ratchet Effect." There is more to this, however, because the Republicans being the stick means that they are also the disciplinary wing of the two-party system. They are given the tools they need under both Republican and Democratic administrations, and when the poor get a little to uppity, the Republicans (being the heel to the Democrat's face) use their power to punish anyone trying to make real change. This is why people are so "heightened" when Trump is in office, because they do the dirty work. If Democrats did the same, there would be no release valve in the system, no "calm waters," but during those calm waters sections of the government (such as ICE) get increases over increases in a bipartisan way.

But none of this is conspiracy in the traditional sense; it isn't closed-door agreements and secret handshakes. This behavior is born out of the root cause of the issue, which is the belief that private property must be maintained above all else and that private property must generate infinite growth. In the context of the post you're referring to, these concessions being made by Mamdani are the result of the Democratic operators having control over his campaign. He has to align with their interests, both foreign and domestic. His messaging is being pulled to the right to align with the Democrats. This alignment process is what keeps us in the system we have today, where nothing seems to get done and things only appear to get worse.

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[-] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

so idk if you know but that's mutation of a famous quote from the Comintern, almost 100 years old now. I assume you're probably a social democrat since that's pretty much the left edge of acceptable politics in the USA. If you are, you should consider doing a little reading about the historically famous, deathly feud between Communists and Social Democrats. The German KPD and SPD and Gustav Noske specifically. You may understand where this apparently confusing hostility comes from after that, because a lot of clueless social dems assume that because they are the "closest to the left choice" that communists should at least like them more than we do.

What they're saying is basically, "these reformist politicians would also kill us, like the fascists would, if it meant they got to hold office, you can't trust them", and if you've seen the way some of the modern liberal-left talks about "tankies" I don't think it should be too surprising that we are still saying this. However in real life I've not seen this impede very much cooperation anymore, mostly because real social democrats (not new laborite neoliberal imperialists) are only slightly more relevant than communists in the west anymore

You also dove right into the middle of one of our ongoing "struggle sessions" re: Zohran (big debate), and we are in there dishing it out to each other and those can get a pretty hot. Would not recommend wading into the deep end like that if you don't know what you're getting into, not my favorite thing to do personally, but others like debating more than me

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 months ago

The problem is that, on the left, the question of reformism vs revolution was settled centuries ago. Revolution is correct, and reformism has failed every single time, because moving onto socialism requires fubdamentally destroying the former state apparatus and replacing it with a socialist one. A capitalist state is designed specifically for capitalism, and as such trying to go the "lawful" route will go the same way as Allende, couped after 2 years of hard work and dedication.

In Hexbear, this constitutes wrecker behavior. By deliberately antagonizing the correct line and picking arguments that have already been fully settled and only affirmed more by history, you're doing little to add, only detract. You could have asked why the left rejects electoralism, but instead you chose to get into petty squabbles and were banned for it.

YDI.

[-] deaf_fish@midwest.social 6 points 2 months ago

Thanks for the explanation of wrecker.

As for the reformist versus revolution question. Your rhetoric indicates that it's a solved problem. I find that really hard to believe.

How was it solved? How can we be sure there isn't a set of material conditions that would allow for reformism to work?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago

I tried to give a brief overview, essentially a capitalist state cannot work against what it's been designed and evolved over time specifically to support as its foundation. That's the short answer, but if you want to actually see the developed arguments and refutations of the reformist position, I recommend reading Reform or Revolution? by Rosa Luxemburg, The State and Revolution by Lenin. Those both hold up, but what's more important is that they have been verified by historic experience. Allende tried to take the lawful route and was couped after 2 years by Pinochet. Bolivia is in crisis because of adhering to constitutionalism. The capitalist state must be replaced with a socialist one, you can't take power and try to mold it around socialism.

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[-] CrookedSerpent@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

Wrecker means "guy I don't like" and the mods should keep up the bans!!

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah 100% being annoying is rightly a bannable offense

[-] dastanktal@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

Hexbear follows ml thought which includes the basic ideal that electoralism is almost practically useless.

Many people would argue with your arguments here that all you did was sell the Palestinians down a river instead of punishing the Democrats. They would argue that you voted for comfort over principle. And some people like myself would argue that delaying the inevitable causes more damage. For instance, if Biden had lost and Trump had just had a second term, the damage might have actually been more limited because they didn't have four years to plan.

You're being called a wrecker because you fundamentally misunderstand the way that Marxist-Leninists view electoralism.

Hexbear tries to be very proactive about agitation propaganda from liberals, since the rest of the internet is so filled with it, including the lemmy space.

There are plenty of people that share your view, you're just not gonna find them on Hexbear, nor will you find any person willing to engage with the purchase of your arguments, as they've been pretty thoroughly debunked and thrashed by most communist philosophers. Lenin has talked extensively about how useful electoralism is, especially in his book, What Is To Be Done.

[-] deaf_fish@midwest.social 6 points 2 months ago

Thanks for this thoughtful reply. I have some questions, but I have been rightfully nudged by the mods to avoid rehashing arguments, so I will reply to you in DMs.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

I got bann~~d~~ed from Hexbear.

Thats wrong because I can still see you posting. That said, we can easily remedy that since you enjoy fedjacketing communists while being a liberal doormat.

to use the fun acronyms of this comm, YDI, and YDM.

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[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Just a euphemism for “wrong thinker”

[-] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

i wouldn't call you a wrecker i'd call you a fucking genocide apologist

[-] deaf_fish@midwest.social 7 points 2 months ago

i’d call you a fucking genocide apologist

Genocide is bad, that has always been my stance. I think Israel is bad for doing a genocide against the Palestinians. How am I a genocide apologist?

I believe I said as much in the post I got banned for, did I not?

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[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago

A convenient term that can be applied to anyone they don't like

[-] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago

You know what's a simpler term for "fascist enabler?"

Liberal.

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